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Offline MANDOBLE

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« Reply #120 on: February 22, 2002, 03:39:53 AM »
DMF, "incredibly difficult" if very different than "the most difficult". U can pickup your spitV and go to k/d of 50/0 if you want. Yesterday I also picked up 190A8 and decided to not use it as jabo, 12/0 in a single sortie, does this demostrate anything?

AKIron, I insist, learn to read and check the last wulfe pots, mine was a reply to that.

Hey man, it ain't... why do you think it's got a lower ENY value than both the A5 and A8????

Nath, oh great AH eminence, very representative handling factors are two: stall speed and wing loading, check these numbers for A8 and D9. There is another one, roll rate, and the winner here is clearly A8. Then you may calculate corner speed, and dont be surprised if D9 corner is higher than A8. D9 is also longer and more nose heavy than A8, I'm not be able to do the hi AoA moves that I can do with A8, nor has the hi speed control that I have with A8. All these is handling, the rest is pure performance.
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Offline straffo

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« Reply #121 on: February 22, 2002, 04:25:40 AM »
I forget to add that the D9 as a LOT of ammo !
(compared to the Yak)

Concerning stall handling ... after the Typhoon it's just plain lovely :)
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« Reply #122 on: February 22, 2002, 08:28:46 AM »
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Tonight I took the Mandoble Challenge and only flew the incredibly difficult 190D9 in the MA.

Twenty-eight kills and three deaths later, I surmise that he's smoking crack if he believes the Dora is even remotely close to the most difficult plane to fly in AH.  In fact, I'd rank it downright dweeby.

-- Todd/Leviathn


That, I believe, concludes the lesson......

Geez... Todd, does this mean that I have to automatically assume that every SpitV and Dora is being flown by you??!!

My regards,

Widewing
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« Reply #123 on: February 22, 2002, 09:54:47 AM »
allow me to simplify...

mandoble is from spain and even creamo thinks the D9 is easy to fly.
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« Reply #124 on: February 22, 2002, 10:24:19 AM »
hehe Lazs, in Spain we use to understand what is written word by word, not just to "imagine" what is written.

"The hardest plane to fly" is not like "A difficult plane to fly". Being all the planes "easy" to flee, you have some ones being more difficult than others.
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« Reply #125 on: February 22, 2002, 10:34:39 AM »
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AKEagle, I'm flying an underused plane, and, in fact, what i consider the hardest plane to fight in and the hardest plane to fly. Fight is fight, not just to climb to 30k and keep at 450 mph all the time waiting for some AFK enemy to cross your gun sight.


Er, ok. Why not take a holiday and fly the 202? The TBF? Even the F4U-1A?

Funny how no LW plane ever makes your uber list... I'm beginning to agree with lazs, there should be a surcharge on anyone posting from Spain...

...course, nothing to get upset about. Anyone that could label Spit V's as perkable or Yaks as uber doesn't play the same game I'm playing anyway. Me, I took the Fw challenge and I'm ready for a cleansing shower. Never had so many easy kills so quickly- guess I better get outta the uber rides and find something more challenging...
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« Reply #126 on: February 22, 2002, 01:05:08 PM »
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Yesterday I also picked up 190A8 and decided to not use it as jabo, 12/0 in a single sortie, does this demostrate anything?


That vulching is the quickest way to trivialize any stat?
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« Reply #127 on: February 22, 2002, 01:11:03 PM »
I consider myself and Leviathn both the most versed pilots in AH, and I can attest to the fact that we both can fly any plane in AH sucessfully--its a habit that comes naturally after playing this sim for 2+ years.  NATH DTARD

Your waist is double-jointed? Wow.
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Offline Zippatuh

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« Reply #128 on: February 22, 2002, 01:23:40 PM »
Pausing to provide help to a new AH flyer...

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...I'm having an absolutely terrible time trying to hit anything unless it's completely still.  I've fallen to spraying =( in order to hit sometimes in absolute frustration and I've actually rammed planes trying to get close enough to where these bullets would not stray.

 


Kanth,

It may be a problem with the way your joystick is set up.  I have heard a similar complaint from another new flyer.  The dead band and dampening fields were set too high as well as the calibration arc being way off.  See if you can hit one of the trainers up in the TA or if you see me online I can try and help.

It’s a lot easier to hit a moving target with fluid reactions from the controls.


We now take you back to the, whatever the hell this thread is…


Zippatuh
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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #129 on: February 22, 2002, 02:08:14 PM »
Ah well, back to your original post Mandoble. Feel free to shoot my chute any time ya like, don't hurt a bit. Though you'll need to shoot my Yak first.:p
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« Reply #130 on: February 22, 2002, 02:11:13 PM »
...to wave "hi!" to my good DoA friend, Kanthy. Good to see you!

If this is "the" Kanthy I think it is, look out, a new hotstick is here in the likes of Fester, Nath, Fishu and Leviathan. Many a time I saw her buried deep in doo-doo and come out alive with a handful of scalps.
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« Reply #131 on: February 22, 2002, 02:50:45 PM »
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DMF, "incredibly difficult" if very different than "the most difficult". U can pickup your spitV and go to k/d of 50/0 if you want. Yesterday I also picked up 190A8 and decided to not use it as jabo, 12/0 in a single sortie, does this demostrate anything?


It's possible that I could rack up a K/D ratio of 50:0 in the Spit V, but it would be much more difficult than doing it in a Dora.  Why?  Because the Dora possesses the very properties that lead to high K/D ratios... speed, handling, good guns with tons of ammo, long range, etc.

You told everyone to grab a Dora to see how difficult it truly was to fly.  I did so, and I conclude that it is, in fact, not hard to fly at all.  Then you come back by telling me that the plane doesn't really matter?  That I could have done the same in a Spit V or A8?  You're contradicting yourself.

-- Todd/Leviathn
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« Reply #132 on: February 22, 2002, 02:53:17 PM »
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If this is "the" Kanthy I think it is, look out, a new hotstick is here in the likes of Fester, Nath, Fishu and Leviathan. Many a time I saw her buried deep in doo-doo and come out alive with a handful of scalps.


Is this the Kanth formerly of AW fame?

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« Reply #133 on: February 22, 2002, 03:24:33 PM »
If it is her, she was an AW trainer at one time, I believe. That is second-hand information, so you might know more about her than do I.
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« Reply #134 on: February 22, 2002, 04:00:38 PM »
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Nath, oh great AH eminence, very representative handling factors are two: stall speed and wing loading, check these numbers for A8 and D9. There is another one, roll rate, and the winner here is clearly A8. Then you may calculate corner speed, and dont be surprised if D9 corner is higher than A8. D9 is also longer and more nose heavy than A8,

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I'm not be able to do the hi AoA moves that I can do with A8, nor has the hi speed control that I have with A8. All these is handling, the rest is pure performance


Like I said, there's a pilot difference here. For me, these exiguous differences between the A8 and D9 do not phase me, the planes feel pretty much the same--except for the incontrovertible performance differences. This is obviously not the case for you.

And even if I did notice these things, the very wide difference in performance between the A8 and D9 would outweigh the D9's minor "handling" differences(yawn).

When you get better, perhaps then you can come here and argue with the likes of Leviathn--since what he feels is very different from what you feel in AH.
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