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Offline Kratzer

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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2002, 12:54:52 PM »
Careful you don't step in that argument.

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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2002, 01:27:08 PM »
Ragin' Rednecks, now's there's a good name.

Some folks are just too sensitive and looking for something to complain about.

Honkies with Hops....LOL.

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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2002, 01:28:38 PM »
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How many people in this thread even know about the fighting reds?  How many are more inclined to think it should be changed now than before?  How many are less inclined because now that they have a refrerence to judge by they no longer see it as offensive?

From now on anytime a name is brought up as insensitive or racist, a response can be made "I didn't mind the Fighting Whities, what's your problem?"


So as long as you don't mind being called a "Whitey" you don't think people of color should mind racially insensitive names too? The article led me to believe it was the cartoon stereotype of a hook-nosed, hideously grinning Native American that they found to be insulting.

Maybe the "Bouncing Blackies" could print a cartoon stereotype of a black man, natty hair and big wide grin, bouncing a watermelon. I'm sure nobody would object to that, right? Wear THAT T-shirt to South Central LA.

Or maybe start a swim team and call it the "Wetbacks" with a t-shirt depicting Mexicans in wife-beater t-shirts and Cholo pants running over the border with border patrol agents in hot persuit- Who would possibly object to that?


Personally though I don't buy the arguement that because one Irishman isn't offended by the "Fighting Irish" nickname, that therefore other ethnic peoples have no right to be offended by "Fighting Reds". What if Notre Dame's nickname was the "Drunken Fighting Irish?" I'm sure someone would be offended by that stereotype also. I referred to Japanese planes as "Jap junk" once and wis rebuffed by a squad mate who is Japanese American. I hadn't thought I was being insensitive, but my squadie did, and for that reason alone I quit referring to Japanese planes as "Jap junk."

I agree with Bowser. They've made their point very well, and they might sell a million t-shirts and raise money for a very good cause. My only concern is the motive behind some of the people who will buy the shirt.

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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2002, 01:38:39 PM »
Okay, as I'm apparantly becoming racially insensitive, I'll explain slowly and clearly.

I do not like the name Fighting Reds.  Particularly combined with the indianhead symbol, it's in horrible taste and should go.

I could care less about the fighting whities, and do not find it offensive.  If they want to call themselves the oppresive man that's fine, or fat drunk trailer trash, whatever.

I do not agree that using an unoffensive name goes very far in making a point about offensive names.  Particularly when it is presented as a tit-for-tat in offensive names.  Anyone who does like the Fighting Reds will be very quick to point this out, and be even more selfrightous in their indifference to people's offense at the name.

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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2002, 01:49:59 PM »
Funny thing is, sports illistrated did a poll of American indians and 87percent said they were not offended by team names.

When you name a franchise or sports team you probably would pick a team name that inspired respect not somthing that would get you laughed at by the fans.

BTW the cleveland indians were named by Jim Thorpe.. last I heard he was an American Indian

go fighting whities !!

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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2002, 02:35:56 PM »
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I agree with Bowser. They've made their point very well, and they might sell a million t-shirts and raise money for a very good cause. My only concern is the motive behind some of the people who will buy the shirt.


They didn't make any point at all.  They were hoping we'd all get offended, so we could then understand their point of view.  Problem is we aren't offended, so they didn't prove anything.

And most people buying the shirt are going to be "whities" who think it's a cool shirt.


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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2002, 02:47:45 PM »
White liberal activists are far more offended by "Indian" type team names than the Indians themselves. Thats a fact.

BTW I'm not at all surprised this started on a college campus....

Where's the national guard when we really need them? :D

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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2002, 03:08:31 PM »
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They didn't make any point at all.  They were hoping we'd all get offended, so we could then understand their point of view.  Problem is we aren't offended, so they didn't prove anything.

And most people buying the shirt are going to be "whities" who think it's a cool shirt.



According to the article the team decided to use some "provacitive humor" to puncuate its point. I doubt they were trying to offend anyone. It seems to me that if they intended to be offensive they would have called themselves a different, more derogatory name.

I thought they made a very good point with humor and class, and plus they'll make a truck load of money on t-shirt sales. And BTW, not EVERY issue is a conservative vs. liberal issue, guys, and anyway, Grunherz, these weren't "white liberal activists" who objected to the Fighting Reds mascot- they were Native Americans.

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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2002, 03:20:55 PM »
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They didn't make any point at all.  They were hoping we'd all get offended, so we could then understand their point of view.  Problem is we aren't offended, so they didn't prove anything.

And most people buying the shirt are going to be "whities" who think it's a cool shirt.



Lets see....they have an article in a very large daily paper, and have fostered discussions by us and probably many others like us....sounds like the point was well made. They obviously didn't need to be as offensive as the name they are trying to draw attention to. :cool:

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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2002, 03:21:55 PM »
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I thought they made a very good point with humor and class, and plus they'll make a truck load of money on t-shirt sales.


Okay.  Sounds good.

So, what point did they make?


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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2002, 03:31:19 PM »
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Okay.  Sounds good.

So, what point did they make?



Sometimes drawing attention to something IS the point.

And Grun....please read the article before commenting. These are Native Americans as well as college students.

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« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2002, 03:52:33 PM »
on the money, midnight (or should I call you target?)

Careful though, people like to ignore actual points that are made so that they can continue to argue with each other (see my similar post above).

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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2002, 04:37:23 PM »
Midnight is someone else ... I am Target, or Tahgut in the MA. Midnight is the CO of the 412th, and his name actually originates from the same place mine does.

All members of the Nightmare squadron have Midnight in their name.....its a tradition thing. Midnight of the 412th was a former member of the 'mares. Midnight.

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« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2002, 05:32:16 PM »
Fatty... being half native-american myself,
I don't find either offensive.

I find them both pretty cool actually .

AND I live in Colorado and have followed (very distantly) the reds ...

I applaud their sense of humor actually.  To me it was more about the humorous part..
I definately like it.

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« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2002, 06:00:19 PM »
The Injun's play basketball?

The clever t-shirt gimic has opened my eye's at least.  I thought all Indians were drunks and owned casino's.

I think it's great they are learning games and stuff.