Originally posted by hazed-
Im finding it hard to find data on the G2 also ammo but consider this:
earliest 110C-1 top speed 336mph with 1,050hp engines
all G series had 1,475hp engines and substantial improvements from an aerodynamic point of veiw.
the G4 had radar antenae and equiptment (plus supplimentary fuel tanks i think, but not sure) which reduced its speed and increased its weight considerably
as to this non-productive attack on stsanta just because he has said something about your post being almost identical to his and saying just that why dont you consider your reply to his post?
To me it appears to be designed purely to annoy him even if it is said in jest:
"Oh no brother bluto!.. Those P47 guys are just too mean. It cannot be true that their ugly green plane is superior to our manly Messerschmidts...!!!!
ammo "
Why dont you just admit this situation is pretty much identical only reversed and you have had a taste of what annoys us.
we dont want unfair advantage, we dont consider ourselves superior (btw when we joke about this its designed to take the piss out of the german officer/SS stereo type) but what we do want to see is what everyone can read about, and that is that much of the war as the germans introduced new aircraft and weapons they were excellent. The fact they held back the allies for so long and managed to inflict damage and surprise our forces time and again under such immense pressure from all sides should be recognised.
Im not German, Im British.Im proud of what we did and I would in no way ever want to praise or help the cause of that hideous regeme.When you drift away from joking to imply we are some sort of supporters of that then you make us angry.Like ive said time and time again, I like the planes because as a kid i made those models, I like the bad guys in star wars, I liked the Romans the vikings etc etc and in games i like to play those parts for the fun derived from it.
when you imply anything deeper it just pisses me off.
and lets just drop this nationalistic crap. Ill accept im weaponalistic(? 
) but only because I want to see just why they were so damn hard to finish off when they faced enormous odds.
Im in stsantas squad and he isnt a whiner nor is he a nazi or any of this crap hes accused of being.Hes just another player of this game who happens to like these planes and probably for the same reasons i do.
Ammo just a test: in Starwars movie, which did you prefer? the X-wing or the Tie-fighter?
oh and by the way nice spin deftly turning the subject away from the G2 to the new subject 'persecution of ammo by stsanta' and your innocence in the whole sorry subject.
your veiws on my test please?
What is all this? What spin? I was defending againt those statements against me. Nobody else is going to defend ammo. And no-one is attacking santa, no-one. You are making more out of this than needs to be. Its getting rediculous. Before you edited this post and added all this fluff, I could understand but after all the pointed agumentative crap, you lost me.
As per your test, I got different numbers, but essentially the same margins. I configured the AC clean, 25% fuel. I got 3100 FPM climb while you got 2750 loaded, sounds about right for me. When testing max speeds, I give them a little help by diving them and letting them settle. I never said that the 110 was superior to the P-47, or the P-38. Especially at higher alts where my main ride dominates:). Again, back to the subject. I think it accelerates to fast at low alt for a heavy twin attack AC, I think its top speed is high (but I cant prove it). However I would think that of the numbers published on all the 110 series, we would see the highest ones somewhere. If indeed the G2 actually was pushing 380 TAS then I think we would have read this somewhere. Here is hoofs G2/R3 page which is based on the performance of the WB's 110G2/R3
http://www.rdrop.com/users/hoofj/Bf110G2.htmthe max speeds listed on this page are in IAS (I dont recall WB's having a TAS indicator). He shows the 110 at 300 IAS @ 5K, I just ran my test again (climb to 8K, dive to 5K wep, and sustain for 4 minutes. The TAS shows 345, while the IAS shows 325. Try it yourself. I got a film to send to you if you like.
Now that is for the WB's 110, which was designed by the same folks that bring you AH. They do alot of research and put alot of effort into their FM's, then and now. That doesnt mean they can be a little off.
here is some more stuff I found---
http://dup.sly.free.fr/avions/mess110.htmhttp://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/7404/bf110.htmhttp://www.hotel.wineasy.se/ipms/stuff_eng_detail_bf110g.htmhttp://www.accessweb.com/users/mconstab/me110.htmhttp://www.supaero.fr/page-perso/promo_02/moret/encyclo/bf110.htmhttp://exn.ca/FlightDeck/Aviators/MesserschmittBf110.cfmI dont have any nationalistic agenda hazed, and I hold no grudges. I dont care why you like like LW AC. Its enough that you (or anyone) spend your hard earned money to enjoy this game. I like the p47 and the 56th FG for what they were, a piece of valiant history. I like WW2 AC. I like it so much that I have spent as much as $250 a month to fly them virtually (no kidding).
No hard feelings here at all, I still think the 110G2 is off, but, as you say its not exactly the hottest ride in the arena. But as long as the AC are "right", not "hot", thats what important to me.
see ya in the arena, you to wmaker.
