Author Topic: "They raped everyone from eight to 80" (Read 4795 times)

--am-- · « **Reply #60 on:** May 27, 2002, 08:03:25 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund

Not really.

It was so absurd, that a German soldier could kill a whole barn full of people and recieve no punishment at all, but if he raped

The decree Hitler as Supreme Commander -in-chief vermaht from 13.5.1941ã. about military legal proceedings on war with the Soviet Union.
May 13 1941ã.
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"For actions against the enemy civil persons accomplished by the military men vermaht , there will be no obligatory prosecution, even if it is a military crime or offence"

Also to you as to the admirer of nazis I recommend to visit photo-exhibition about war crimes of Germans

http://www.verbrechen-der-wehrmacht.de/docs/home.htm#

Hortlund · « **Reply #61 on:** May 27, 2002, 08:05:03 AM »

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Originally posted by --am--

What means has deduced? Íe what of mathematics? Or he the doctor? He what personally has interrogated 100 000 women? He personally has opened 10 00 corpses? How the surname is the doctors? What documents he used for ñîåãî of an absurd conclusion?

1. Beever not racist
2. Beever not the historian
3. Beever makes money printing slander.
4. To quote the doctor Beever as is disgusting how to quote the doctor Gebbels

I dunno pal, but your post doesnt make much sense. Perhaps its the language barrier that shows its ugly face again, but to me, it looks like you are the racist in this conversation. Remember this quote of yours: In it some mentions about rapes perfect by the American soldiers in Germany in 1945-m. Were especially distinguished the negro. <--What are your sources for that anyway?

When you are questioning Beevor, perhaps you should read his book first? Then you can look at his sources, and then[/i] you can start questioning his findings.

--am-- · « **Reply #62 on:** May 27, 2002, 08:06:29 AM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
--am--

I have seen it myself. We had quite a many laughs reading the list of the claims of the soviet scientists. It's like Al Gore inventing the internet - hilarious.

The given words speak that you have no the relation to scientific community.

--am-- · « **Reply #63 on:** May 27, 2002, 08:08:09 AM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
In a dictatorship the only truth that comes out is the truth the dictator wants to come out.

Then you should understand, that you live in dictatorship now.

--am-- · « **Reply #64 on:** May 27, 2002, 08:12:05 AM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
During war there is also always propaganda..
Soviet politruks were feeding their troops horror stories about finnish troops which lead to many of the soldiers choosing suicide instead of imprisonement. They thought they'd get tortured horribly if they got into the hands of the finns.

The atrocities finish the soldier till now with horror are recollected by the old men in the Leningrad area.

--am-- · « **Reply #65 on:** May 27, 2002, 08:22:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund

When you are questioning Beevor, perhaps you should read his book first? Then you can look at his sources, and then[/i] you can start questioning his findings.

I read a little books Beevor. Could not read up up to the end. A huge piece toejam. Any proofs. Any facts. The separate cases are submitted as system approved by the Soviet government. This man not the historian. He ordinary businessman

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #66 on:** May 27, 2002, 08:22:34 AM »

Atrocities like what --am--? I have seen some propaganda that was fed to the troops, but practically none of it had any basis in reality. It wouldn't even make sense unless they happened during the continuation war because the finns were recapturing their own land - who would want to rape and murder their own civillians? lol.

And --am-- you keep repeating that I have no relation to this and no relation to that.. Yet you don't seem to understand yourself the difference between a democracy and a communist dictatorship behind the iron curtain. Come on.

I'll dig up some sources of the scientific claims soviet scientits have made. It'll make a fun new thread.

--am-- · « **Reply #67 on:** May 27, 2002, 08:41:08 AM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Atrocities like what --am--? I have seen some propaganda that .

Me do not trust, and will believe?

" A Political history of Finland. 1805-1995 ãã. " Ussila, Hettilya and Hevakivi
( I apologize for possible mistakes in names)

" The Part of Russian population of East Kareliya about 20 thousand of 80 thousand) was sent in concentration camp, in which from time to time feed was especially bad. "

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #68 on:** May 27, 2002, 09:01:45 AM »

Hah there were no 'concentration camps' in finland. They were ordinary prison camps where prisoners were concentrated but not terminated like the nazis did. The whole country was lacking of food so the prisoners did suffer from that and like I said many of them died to hunger or related diseases.

There were no death camps. As I said the russian camps had far worse conditions and forced labour.

--am-- · « **Reply #69 on:** May 27, 2002, 09:19:25 AM »

Very well that you recognize the fact of presence concentration of camps (prison they can not be as there sit are condemned) Soviet citizens nobody condemned, and simply have driven in camp and there they died out for famine as well as in nazi camps

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #70 on:** May 27, 2002, 09:26:45 AM »

I'm not aware of any other soviet citizens sent to prison camps except the soldiers who were taken as prisoners of war. To my knowledge there weren't any civillians based on ethnic reasons.

I can't see any reason why they should be put to camps since finnish army was recapturing the land soviets took from them in the winter war. Therefore any occupants should be mostly the areas original population although hundreds of thousands left their homes when the soviet invasion moved forward.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #71 on:** May 27, 2002, 09:33:15 AM »

Here is an interesting study for you to read if you get it to your hands from somewhere. (Just to remind you that as a russian you have little stand on complaining about camps..)

http://acta.uta.fi/english/teos.phtml?5101

Pongo · « **Reply #72 on:** May 27, 2002, 10:32:20 AM »

Seems the russians are having trouble believing how naughty their for fathers where...
Its almost like anyone that remembers was killed or sent to prison till they forgot.
Any soldier that raped was shot infront of his unit..lol
Been 60 years..time to rewrite history so that it feels better.

Boroda · « **Reply #73 on:** May 27, 2002, 10:50:11 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Who said anyting about better?

Two sides of the same rotten coin.

I wonder how long will it take to rewrite history and finaly prove that nazis were good, and fought evil communists to save Western civilisation.

Will you tell me that I must be ashamed looking at my Grandfather's medals?

Hortlund, you are an idiot. I repeat: I D I O T.

Nifty · « **Reply #74 on:** May 27, 2002, 11:00:11 AM »

who said anything about the Nazi's being "good"?

This is the exact same as the current Israel-Palestine conflict. People trying to say one side is better than the other. Both sides are committing atrocious acts. If someone can't see that, I'm sorry.

Same with this whole thread. The Nazi's were evil. No arguing that. IF (this is for am and boroda) the tales of mass Soviet rapes are true, then the Soviets were no better, and no worse, than the Nazi's. Anyone committing acts of that nature should have been punished, whether it was a German, Russian, American... ANYONE.