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« Reply #75 on: May 30, 2002, 02:30:19 PM »
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Leslie, the Model T was the first automobile in the U.S. that made use of mass production techniques, which lowered the cost of the car significantly, making it affordable for most of America.  The Model T outsold everything in its day and not by small margins either.


Not arguing with you about that Skuzzy.  That is a fact.  Was only curious why Olds wasn't on your list.  I always thought Oldsmobile was the leader in design innovations and improvements in American automobile manufacturing.

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see it mentioned in this thread anywhere.  

And since Vorticon has pointed out that a "real moron" wants to learn something from someone who seems to know what they are talking about, I'll gladly carry that burden so any other curious readers on the subject won't have to think of themselves as being stupid for asking a question.

So how 'bout it Skuzzy, what's your stand on Oldsmobile's role in the discussion?

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« Reply #76 on: May 30, 2002, 03:18:02 PM »
Oldsmobile was responsible for many innovations in the automobile industry.  Whether they had a true impact is questionable.
I did think about the Olds Rocket V-8 when putting together the list, but I just could not justify if it really made a difference.

To be sure, Oldsmobile was technically the best division in General Motors for many years.  They were indeed innovative, but sometimes they were too far ahead of their time and the materials of the day were not up to the challenge Olds placed upon them.  The turbo-charged Rocket V-8 in the early 60's was a shining example.
When I thought about it, I could not come up with one model of Oldsmobile that really stood out as a product that changed the automotive industry in terms of marketing or design.

Like I said,..there were many cars that could be on that list.  Truthfully to only pick ten really leaves out many others, but my personal criteria was pretty narrow to get the list to a more resonable collection.

I have read quite a bit about autmotive history, but by no means would know it all.  Leslie, if you have some information on Olds, in particular, please share it.
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« Reply #77 on: May 30, 2002, 03:25:02 PM »
Seems to me a list of the best cars ever made should include a Duesenberg.

BTW thats Gary Cooper in the picture.

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« Reply #78 on: May 30, 2002, 04:53:26 PM »
have to go with whoever posted the Shelby GT...

a REAL car IMO.

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« Reply #79 on: May 30, 2002, 06:48:24 PM »
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Seems to me a list of the best cars ever made should include a Duesenberg.

BTW thats Gary Cooper in the picture.


Good call. The Deusy, Auburn and Cord were all great cars in their time.
Anybody here ever been to the Deusenburg museum in Las Vegas? It has like 20 or so Deusy's and they advertise the inventory as worth 15-18 million (or something like that).

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« Reply #80 on: May 30, 2002, 07:03:54 PM »
Hmm...

For impact, influence and success, maybe the Bugatti T35. If your going to mention the Bug and  the Model T, the Citreon 2CV, ought to be mentioned, if for no other reason than for providing cheap ugly transportation to the masses.

For design impact, hard to argue with the original mini-Cooper. It spawned the design layout for every front drive econobox on the road today.

427 Cobras not the best car ever made (still had English electrics), but probably spurred more automotive "woodies" in teenage boys than any other car. It was the firsty true super car though, it excelled at whatever type of racing it was called to do.

All things considered, for its time, my moneys on the 1955 Mercedes-Benz 300 SL  Gullwing coupe. It was, and still is an extraordinary car, years ahead of its time, with a great pedigree.


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« Reply #81 on: May 31, 2002, 02:05:22 AM »
And this is?

0-100km/h 4,2s
Three (3) ever built, one (1) exists (in FINLAND!) :D

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« Reply #82 on: May 31, 2002, 04:17:54 AM »
You guys!  The topic was best car built on Planet Earth. We seem to be digressing! We're now talking about cars that were the fastest, or cars that had a rarity value. We've even got a GT40 in here! I don't recall if anyone mentioned it, but the GT40 was so named because the roof line was 40 inches above the ground on which it stood.

But for best car, I think we should still be thinking about the cars that brought motoring to ordinary people. In America it was the Model T Ford (Tin Lizzy?) and in much of Europe it was the Beet1e. In Spain, it was the Seat 133 of the 1960s! I hired one of those once :eek: The Beet1e was popular in Africa because it would run on low grade fuel, and was easy to maintain.

But hey!  it's OK. I've enjoyed seeing all these cars again. Would you believe it - this Limey owned two Chevy Camaros - a 1977 Type LT, and a 1980 Berlinetta. What I noticed right away was that the performance of American cars is very mild for the engine size. That Type LT (and the Berlinetta) had a 5.0 litre (305 cu. inch) engine, but my Ford Cortina 2000E (2 litre) could have seen both of those off. Sad to say, many American cars of c1980 were crap. America was caught out by the fuel crisis, and the influx of Japanese imports like the Mazda 626 that everyone wanted. No-one wanted the gas guzzlers any more. By the way, the Mazda 626 was one of the most popular and best cars in the world - 22 years in production so far...

Anyway, America was turning out little sawn off Cadillacs. The Buick 230 cu inch engine was a joke. It was a 6 cylinder unit which had been converted from a 8 cylinder unit, and the crankshaft and camshaft had been crudely adapted for 6 cylinder use. As you all know, in a four stroke engine, each cylinder fires once per two revolutions of the engine. In a 6 cylinder engine, there should be a firing stroke initiated every 120°. But oh! Such was the adaptation of this engine that there was a firing stroke every 90° then 150° alternately! Needless to say, customers complained of uneven running. Big f*cking surprise :rolleyes: That was 1980, and I was living/working in the Chicago area. I wished I'd done as a friend did, and bought the Mazda 626. Oh yes, I think Toyota Corolla belongs on that top ten list somewhere for quality and reliability, and I seem to remember that multivalve (or multiport) engines were a Japanese creation originally. I've owned four Toyotas (last one was a Supra 3.0i turbo) and they were all excellent.

But OK, the Americans have made some quite nice cars. I took a photo of this one in New York City a few years ago. It's a Buick Le Sabre - year unknown. I'll post the rear view in the next post.

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« Reply #83 on: May 31, 2002, 04:20:56 AM »
...and here is is from behind. Can anyone tell me more about this model?

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« Reply #84 on: May 31, 2002, 06:34:11 AM »
"I think we should still be thinking about the cars that brought motoring to ordinary people"

Quite a different topic from the best car ever built, from my point of view. Maybe its a consideration, but certainly not the primary one. Best car built in the world to me that means the car should have equal parts build quality, design innovation, reliability, engineering, styling, performance. Thats why I picked the 1955 MB 300SL. It has it all in spades.

Huge production numbers just means its built to the lowest common denominator so everyone could get their hands on it (e.g. Yugo).  I would still rank the VW up there though given my criteria.

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« Reply #85 on: May 31, 2002, 08:35:01 AM »
picked up a garage kept '69 Beetle for my son for a steal - $1200

noticed yesterday the reverse lights don't come on when he shifts into reverse. Fuses seem good. Where would one of you vw experts suggest to check next?

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here's a pix
« Reply #86 on: May 31, 2002, 09:23:34 AM »
Also any danger with the gas tank being n the hood? He's 16 and this is his 1st car ...
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« Reply #87 on: May 31, 2002, 09:29:10 AM »
Great buy there Eagler. I love those 2 tone beetles.

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« Reply #88 on: May 31, 2002, 10:02:22 AM »
beet1e, that Buick appears to be circa 1959-61.  Not exactly sure, but I can find out if ya want.

Yes, a lot of people are posting neat cars, but not really on topic.  To do it right, we would need to categorize cars.

All of this is very subject to opinions.  We all have our own unique things we want and believe are the best things in an automobile.  I am glad of this or there would only be one car on the road.  With what people want in an automobile comes great diversity in the makes/models/options.  Thank goodness.

If you put 10 people in a room and ask them what the "best" car ever made was, they would never reach a conclusion.  The term is just too broad.
And as you can see in this thread,..everyone has an opinion based on thier own perspective as to what is best.  I see this as a good thing.
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« Reply #89 on: May 31, 2002, 10:18:57 AM »


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