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Offline Dead Man Flying

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« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2002, 02:38:46 PM »
In six years of playing on-line flight sims, I've never once encountered someone who I felt was even remotely cheating.  That's not to say that cheating doesn't exist... we have screenshot proof from years ago that someone was able to do silly things to a B-26.  However, I consider it so uncommon as to have never been something I've come across in any fight I've ever fought.

And I've fought a lot of fights against a lot of people.

Accusations of cheating are ego self-defense mechanisms not unlike tennis players blaming their rackets or golfers blaming their clubs for poor play.  They're able to cope with their own fallibility by displacing responsibility to someone or something else.  Of course it had to be the racket.  Of course it had to be the putter.  Of course it had to be the other guy cheating.

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« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2002, 02:40:21 PM »
I wish someone would accuse me of cheating, but allas I am not yet worthy :(

Offline Eagler

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« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2002, 02:48:26 PM »
How does IL-2 have the "Cheating has been Detected" pop up when you are online? What does it mean & does anything happen to the cheaters there?
Couldn't AH put something like this together? If someone/something can "detect" it, you'd think someone/something could boot you auto like ...

I don't think there are cheaters in AH in any numbers - if at all. In all my time, I haven't seen any. I think poor conns are the source of pretty strange looking stuff, not someones programming skills...
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Offline KG45

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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2002, 02:48:40 PM »
someone might have accused me of cheating, but since .squelch 1 is the first thing i do in the game, i didn't hear them! ;)
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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2002, 02:50:32 PM »
That is a completely false message Eagler, I don't even know why the hell they had that spur of genious to put that in there. It's a complete waste of programming- it does nothing more than detect lag and/or if someone temporarily loses connection to the host. So basically, you lose a few packets.. or your ping shoots up for a couple of seconds and that stupid message shows up.

It was supposed to detect use of that "speed hacK" thing, but it only really detects lag and not actual cheating/hacking.
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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2002, 03:01:47 PM »
Witness the general level of intellectualism required to accuse one of cheating...

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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2002, 03:03:07 PM »
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In six years of playing on-line flight sims, I've never once encountered someone who I felt was even remotely cheating.  -- Todd/Leviathn


Oh..I dont know..there was that one night about a year ago that you shot down about a dozen assassins in a row in your spit v...

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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2002, 03:05:05 PM »
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The problem is that there ARE cheaters here just like any other game and it's not always easy to tell if someone is cheating or is just flying well.

I don't go around yelling cheater to everyone who kills me but there are several people who I KNOW are cheating and get away with it.

To many cheerleaders out there that will defend someone even though they weren't around to see the cheat and don't believe the proof that was put in front of them.

I don't make a big deal about it because it wouldn't do any good.


I've never observed anyone in AH that I thought was cheating, where is this "proof"?
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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2002, 03:09:48 PM »
How about this...

If you get caught cheating in AH you get banned.

If you call someone a cheater here or on the coms when they didn't you get banned <-burden of proof on the person throwing out the accusations.

I think that kinda puts my oppinion on most of these threads into perspective.

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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2002, 03:19:24 PM »
Agreed DJ. Falsely accusing someone is slander/libel and should be punished even if only by ridiculing the moron making the accusation. There has been an increasing amount of it going around in the MA. It's often so ridiculous that it's hard to tell when it's serious and when it's not.

Even if I was certain and had proof that someone was cheating I'd keep it between myself and HTC for fear of being thought an idiot.
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« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2002, 03:20:48 PM »
I got accused of cheating for the first time in over a year of playing Aces High, a few weeks ago.  I was flying a Typhoon near a base where enemy planes were upping on their way to attack one of our bases.  I was making diving attacks on them as they climbed out, but after a kill or two, I made the mistake of turning with one to finish him off.  Soon about five of them were all over me, and it was a running fight just to get away.  For about three minutes, I ran, jinked, rolled, and did everything I could think of just to stay alive.  My Tiffie was shot up but still running fine.  Finally, almost out of gas, I made the coastline and dropped down to treetop level at full speed as I ran for home.  A Mustang finally ran me down and droppped me.  

As I crashed, I looked up at the text buffer to see that I was being accused of cheating by two or three of the enemy pilots.  They all claimed to have seen me "conveniently warping on demand" as I evaded them in the three minute fight.  One said that he had video and intended to send it to HTC.  Somebody else that I didnt even know, jumped in and claimed that he had seen me cheating earlier.  My first reaction to these accusations was a burst of anger.   I do not take kindly to anybody accusing me of cheating, lying, or any other dishonest behavior.  I come from a family of real life warriors that values honor above everything else.   I would never sacrifice something that is as valuable to me as my integrity in order to gain a silly advantage in a computer game, and I dont appreciate people accusing me of the same.  

After a moment of anger, I relaxed and my second reaction was pretty much the old "sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me".  Yet I was rather annoyed that people would make these foolish accusations.  I didnt worry about the silly threat about sending the film to HTC, I believe HTC has more sense than to listen to that kind of foolishness.  I am sure it was possible that my plane was warping, the internet was rather unstable that night, and I had a poor connection (very unusual for me) and was actually disconnected later that night.  At least one of these persons was a member of a squad that I respect very highly, although I do not know that person personally.  Another person on my team told me I should feel good, that it was an achievement to be proud of when people accuse you of cheating, and while I do find that somewhat amusing I cannot take such an accusation lightly.  The whole incident left a bad taste in my mouth, and I quit playing for the night shortly thereafter due to irritation over this as well as the crappy internet connection.

 I havent really thought about it much since then, until now, as I read a general discussion board here that is full of talk of cheating.  I guess my point is, dont be so quick to pull out the cheating accusations.  There may be some people cheating or trying to cheat, but they are very few I believe.  I refuse to believe that this game community that I love has very many people that have so little integrity as to cheat at a game.  You may say its a small thing, but I can assure you that I wouldnt trust ANYTHING to a person that would cheat at AH or any other game.  I have no respect for any sort of low down person that has no more honor than that.  And next time you see my airplane warping, instead of questioning my honesty, try politely asking me to relog.
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Offline tkor

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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2002, 03:32:54 PM »
Leviathon wrote; "...or golfers blaming their clubs for poor play"

I happen to know that it is my golf clubs that cause my poor play.;)
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« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2002, 03:37:16 PM »
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Then, on top of that, the internet is no more reliable than a car that's never had it's belts, oil & oil filter, air filter, fuel injector and starter plugs changed/cleaned.
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That isn't some kinda poke at Al Gore is it? Grrrr

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« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2002, 04:05:23 PM »
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Leviathon wrote; "...or golfers blaming their clubs for poor play"

I happen to know that it is my golf clubs that cause my poor play.;)
TKOR


Right handers should use right handed clubs...see if that make a difference :D

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« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2002, 05:31:19 PM »
Last night, Rauml (a usually level headed guy) accused someone of cheating and yelled that he had video of it.

I suggested that he post it to the BBS so we could all see the cheating, but he suddenly had a change of heart and responded that he would only post the film if, after he sent it to HTC, they confirmed that cheating occurred.

Finally, after a bunch of people started challenging him to post the film, he targeted me and started calling me a dweeb, just because I disagreed with him.

Very funny stuff!  I'm no cheerleader, but when someone refuses to provide proof or evidence of their accusations, said accusations suddenly seem a lot less likely to be real.
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