Author Topic: Ok, fighter jocks, why is it "pig pile" on the BUFFs? (Read 2449 times)

Staga · « **Reply #90 on:** September 24, 2001, 06:52:00 PM »

Lazs why don't you just shoot down those bombers and quit whining ?

LePaul · « **Reply #91 on:** September 24, 2001, 10:04:00 PM »

Ah well said, Staga

texace · « **Reply #92 on:** September 24, 2001, 10:41:00 PM »

<sigh> I give up. There is no need for me to keep fighting this. I can't change one man's opinion when he's so dead set on one thing.

Oh, and lasz, you can kiss my ass. This thread has gone on too long and the last posts where I try to reason you just turn back around. I am not dumb. Ok? Got that? I am not dumb. Nor am I gay.

I wll just read with interest and won't post on this thread anymore.

Geeb · « **Reply #93 on:** September 24, 2001, 11:59:00 PM »

I only have one thing to say about buffs & buff formations have u tried flying in a tight formation of buffs & what was ur fps? formations of bombers die ez

i have a better chance alone than i do in a med to large formation

it is hard to hit a warpy bandit no matter what & that info has to go to sometimes 6 or 7 other people.

Wotan · « **Reply #94 on:** September 25, 2001, 01:54:00 AM »

lets get this post to 100

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I used to spend much time hunting buffs and killing them.

Its boring a waste of time the dweeb keeps coming and coming hell me and a swuaddie shot the same 2 lancs ib 48 earlier tonight 6 times. They nevr made to 48 a p47 ended jaboing the vh before ag could kill him. Then the 2 lanc jokers showed up in spits to deack it they got most but I killed umm both.

They then came back in a spit and a goon and I killed umm again.

This story proves to me the value of buffs to base capture NONE,,,,,,,

The only time they make it is when everyone else is having fun furballin to waste there time runnin umm down. So they come in and with laser accurracy kill the fhs and fly off. Thats when the someone gets mad and kills umm. WOW what fun...........

Spivey · « **Reply #95 on:** September 25, 2001, 02:37:00 AM »

OK I killed 6 or 7 buffs tonight, and got shot down by them twice. They are NOT impossible to kill, if you know what you are doing, but it will never be easy. I have had others shoot my buff down using approaches that daze me, and I am a dam good buff gunner if I do say so myself!

What gets me is the rudder thing. I saw a buff at 22k rudder turn his buff around so fast my n1k couldn't turn with him! That ain't right! Plus I can corkscrew straight down to the deck ina B17 withoug the slightest worry of compression. That ain't right either.

Spivey

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Originally posted by Apache:
Buffs ruin the game as they are right now.

We "furballers" as some label us, relish the fight, the air combat, seeing if you can come out unscathed or maybe a little banged up but back just the same. It matters not to us how many fields we or the enemy has but simply the fight.

"Strat" fighters like to take out fields using jabo tactics. They have to come in heavy, fight thier way thru, then try to get out safely. This takes much skill & practice.
They also are more inclined to do defensive fighter sweeps because field status is their bread & butter, but the fight is still prime.

"Buffs" ruin these options for us. Sometimes as many as 30 or 40 fighters may be in an area, both furballers & strat guys doing thier thing. Along comes a buff, 1 guy and shuts down the hangars. Yes, fighters could go for them, but most of us don't bother anymore. Why should we? Climb to 30k plus where they are currently outperforming high alt fighters? Nope.

One of the best suggestions I've seen in a long time was virtual bomber wingmen. Don't know about the codeing difficulties but it seems that if the bomber gun range was toned back to more "realistic" (I hate using that word) settings and a bomber pilot could count on wingmen, then it would be more of a fight for the fighters. We could setup an attack properly instead of trying to beat guns that shouldn't be hittin' you in the first place.

IMHO of course.

Wotan · « **Reply #96 on:** September 25, 2001, 03:07:00 AM »

spivey did you read any of the thread or did you decided to start one at the end of this one?

who said buffs were impossible to kill besides the buff lovers?

buffs arent any harder to kill then a goon most times.

maybe read the topic title then atleast scan some of the post then reply....................

almost to 100 you guys can do it

Naso · « **Reply #97 on:** September 25, 2001, 05:27:00 AM »

Naso · « **Reply #98 on:** September 25, 2001, 05:29:00 AM »

Naso · « **Reply #99 on:** September 25, 2001, 05:30:00 AM »

100

Naudet · « **Reply #100 on:** September 25, 2001, 05:35:00 AM »

Naso was the number 100 if u include the original.

I am the 100th reply.

Lazs1 , u postet that texace and LePaul prove they are to dumb to get any point.

And u are too dumb to recognize the MA is not one big furball room.

Go to Fighter Ace arcade rooms, there u are well placed.

[ 09-25-2001: Message edited by: Naudet ]

Naso · « **Reply #101 on:** September 25, 2001, 05:42:00 AM »

Naudet My post was number 100, your post was only reply number 100.

my 100 is better than yours

Btw, I agree with the latter part of your post

Naudet · « **Reply #102 on:** September 25, 2001, 05:44:00 AM »

OK urs was post #100, but my put the reply dialer to 3 digits, lets say its a draw.

Naso · « **Reply #103 on:** September 25, 2001, 05:47:00 AM »

ok

Westy MOL · « **Reply #104 on:** September 25, 2001, 07:43:00 AM »

Hey Geeb, kind of like the unescorted raids on Schweinfurt isn't it? If you like flying bombers it goes with the territory. You're typicaly "easy meat" if you fly alone or unprotected. Same thing for most "fighter" pilots in the MA.

The point? Learn, adapt and strive to succeed. Don't whine about it and don't ask for it to be simpler as it's already ridiculously easy to fly a bomber in AH. And if you want to be the "Lone Porker" ("Hi Ho MilkRun.....away!") type then expect the scorn of a lot of people for a lone bomber is not a team player nor a particpant in the air battles they severely disrupt. Teams and organised groups are. Mono-morons are not.

Westy