Author Topic: We need to fire the Senate (Read 1664 times)

Sandman · « **Reply #75 on:** June 28, 2002, 10:30:26 AM »

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Originally posted by koala

I guess the 50% rate hike in my Washington State energy bill is just a figment of my imagination. A hike caused by California's inability to generate it's own power, and instead having to take it from the rest of the Western United States. But I'm glad things seem okay for you.

One thing that must be learned from the Enron debacle is that rate hikes may not have anything to do with the generation of power.

I can't speak for what's happening in Washington state. I don't know. I do know this. We don't have any rolling blackouts in California this year.

I'm wondering why. The whole energy crisis thing seems dubious.

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #76 on:** June 28, 2002, 10:48:51 AM »

Eagler, who are you calling a pin head???

miko2d · « **Reply #77 on:** June 28, 2002, 11:26:17 AM »

GRUNHERZ: We're saying we don't prefer one religion over another!
And which religion does "God" prefer?
It prefers any religion with monotheistic masculine deity to any goddes-worship, polytheistic religion, ancestor-worship, atheism, devil-worship, paganism, etc.

"Amendment I: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,..." - any religion. Not a about non-preferential treatment to all religions, but not supporting religion at all.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their CREATOR
That's simple - my creators are my parents. There are no inconsistencies here.

miko

koala · « **Reply #78 on:** June 28, 2002, 11:30:07 AM »

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That's simple - my creators are my parents. There are no inconcistencies here.

Nice spin. It didn't say creators, it said Creator, so yes it is inconsistent.

Tumor · « **Reply #79 on:** June 28, 2002, 11:33:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Whats funny Midnight is that the Dems and Repubs both agree that this is ludicris, its only the wackos that are supporting it, like yourself.. how are you going to feel when your left standing on the street alone in this case when your own party condemns it...even Sen. D-amazinhunk said the judge was "an idiot".

Daschole said that?? REALLY???? MUAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Ok now I think he's a little less of a hole lol.

Sandman · « **Reply #80 on:** June 28, 2002, 11:34:22 AM »

Daschle is like every other career politician. No balls.

midnight Target · « **Reply #81 on:** June 28, 2002, 11:39:48 AM »

Unlike some folks in here, I don't look around to see who else holds "MY" opinion. Daschele is perfectly free to be wrong on this issue. He has my permission.

koala · « **Reply #82 on:** June 28, 2002, 11:40:06 AM »

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Conservatives are getting exactly what they want- a tolitarian state where if you don't fit in you must get out.

Interesting stereotype, especially in light of the liberal Polictical Correctness era of the 1990's, where all the lefties found a way to be offended by pretty much anythin anybody said. Apparently "fitting in" means embracing a liberal agenda, or else you get sued or charged with a hate crime.

Tumor · « **Reply #83 on:** June 28, 2002, 11:45:41 AM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
"God" wasn't on our money until WWII.

"Under God" wasn't in the pledge until nineteen fitty fo'.

Exactly what part of America's heritage does the removal of those two words from the Pledge destroy?

Oh no, religion isn't on the money no mo' or the Pledge, what shall we eva' do?!?!

I don't Pledge Allegience to a nation under "god"... I Pledge Allegience to the US, and it's constitution. Nice how the religious people can avoid what this nation was founded on when it interferes with them being able to force their "God" down people's throats. "seperation of church 'n state" our founding fathers knew what would happen when they get combined... and what happened yesterday is the best f'in example. Put down your cross and your bible, pick up some history books.
-SW

Hmmm. I respect anyones decision to not be religious or not believe in God, even to refuse to say "under god" in the pledge. I think the real root of the issue is.... allot of folks are just fed up with whiney people (whether they be left/right or in the middle). I am. I'm not religious, I'm not even positive I believe there is a God (lordy lordy... and I'm a conservative too). It's not like it's going to kill me to say "under God" though. If a kid doesn't want to say it... and is afraid of "peer pressure".. tough. What are they gonna do out in the real world when they are given the choice of "hangin with the crowd" or "sticking to thier guns" so to speak, run and get a lawyer? Hardly. Again... IMHO the issue boils down to a a big fat nasty whine and I for one and sick of hearing it. People get far too wrapped around the axel over menial crap that isn't hurting a freekin thing. Irks me even more that the Courts are WASTING thier time on BS like this instead of doing something... worthwhile? Sheesh.

Tumor

miko2d · « **Reply #84 on:** June 28, 2002, 12:00:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Tumor
allot of folks are just fed up with whiney people (whether they be left/right or in the middle

A lot of whiney people did not like "...under King George..." in their plege - started all that War of Independence and all. Should have listened to the loyalists, right?

What are they gonna do out in the real world when they are given the choice of "hangin with the crowd" or "sticking to thier guns"
I will definitely teach my child to stand up to the bad guys. I just do not want to have to teach him that the government are the bad guys to stand up to. But I regretfully will if I have to.

miko

Eagler · « **Reply #85 on:** June 28, 2002, 12:51:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfenwolf
Eagler, who are you calling a pin head???

takes one to know one right?

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #86 on:** June 28, 2002, 01:07:09 PM »

Tumor, I ain't on either side of the issue. I don't care if it stays in the Pledge, if it stays as a school supported morning announcement, or if "In God We Trust" stays on our money... I was just saying that to show that with or without the Under God on the Pledge... it's still the Pledge... and without "In God We Trust" on the money... it's still money.
-SW

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #87 on:** June 28, 2002, 01:11:45 PM »

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Originally posted by koala

Nice spin. It didn't say creators, it said Creator, so yes it is inconsistent.

I think it's important to note is said "Creator" rather than "God." Don't we all choose which diety is the Creator, rather it be God or Buddha or whoever??

And yes, Eagler, I admit my statement was stupid, but someone from the Left has to balance out Ripsnort.

Tumor · « **Reply #88 on:** June 28, 2002, 01:37:11 PM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Tumor, I ain't on either side of the issue. I don't care if it stays in the Pledge, if it stays as a school supported morning announcement, or if "In God We Trust" stays on our money... I was just saying that to show that with or without the Under God on the Pledge... it's still the Pledge... and without "In God We Trust" on the money... it's still money.
-SW

Oh well your "side" or lack thereof wasn't the reason I posted. Your's however was the first post that really got me thinking. Didn't mean to make it sound like an attack on you... apologize if it came out that way.

Tumor · « **Reply #89 on:** June 28, 2002, 01:42:47 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d

A lot of whiney people did not like "...under King George..." in their plege - started all that War of Independence and all. Should have listened to the loyalists, right?

Entirely off topic

I will definitely teach my child to stand up to the bad guys. I just do not want to have to teach him that the government are the bad guys to stand up to. But I regretfully will if I have to.

So, currently it "appears" the Executive and Legislative branches of our government are at odds with the Judicial branch over this issue. If (IF) that holds true and the Court is stopped from making law (seems they all to often need a little reminder).... does that make the government bad guys if you disagree? To think any citizen would consider our government the "bad guys" over the term "under god" is rather over the top I'd think. Remember... not once has anyone MADE anyone say the Pledge of Allegience.