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« Reply #135 on: July 10, 2002, 06:23:31 AM »
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Im feeling a bit emotional now...



Thats gonna cost me $400US an hour now isnt it. :(  I figure if I lick the stamp on the envelope myself, that'll save me $50.00 right?

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« Reply #136 on: July 10, 2002, 06:49:07 AM »
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Thats gonna cost me $400US an hour now isnt it. :(  I figure if I lick the stamp on the envelope myself, that'll save me $50.00 right?


Nah, dont worry, in Sweden we dont have that kind of lawsuits. The concept of punitative damage is unknown here, and the basic philosophy around here is that anyone liable to pay damages, should do just that..pay for damages, and not some rediculous amount on top of that.

Take the woman who burned herself on a cup of coffe at McD. If she had come to a court in sweden asking for compensation for that, the judge would have said something along the lines of "next time you should be more careful when handling cups of hot coffee".

The highest damage ever awarded in a Swedish court was in a criminal case where some forigner raped a Swedish woman and infected her with hiv at the same time. She got SEK 650 000 in damages for that (roughly USD 65 000).

So you are safe. I would stay well clear of AKNimitz if I were you though.

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« Reply #137 on: July 10, 2002, 06:56:57 AM »
I think some of you should sign up for the jury, maybe the kids family will split the "winnings" with ya :rolleyes:

fire the cop, jail the punk arse - case solved.

What's so hard about that?
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« Reply #138 on: July 10, 2002, 08:58:35 AM »
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Nah, dont worry, in Sweden we dont have that kind of lawsuits. The concept of punitative damage is unknown here, and the basic philosophy around here is that anyone liable to pay damages, should do just that..pay for damages, and not some rediculous amount on top of that.
 


Hortlund, how tough are your immigration laws? ;)
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« Reply #139 on: July 10, 2002, 10:16:16 AM »
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I think you mean the Gettysburg Address......but then you are a Southerner


lol, you're right. We don't keep up much with yankee history. ;).

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« Reply #140 on: July 10, 2002, 10:16:20 AM »
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I think some of you should sign up for the jury, maybe the kids family will split the "winnings" with ya :rolleyes:

fire the cop, jail the punk arse - case solved.

What's so hard about that?


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« Reply #141 on: July 10, 2002, 10:38:46 AM »
Interesting threat, to be sure.  Brings up a few memories.

Did the cop cross the line?  Oh Hell Yeah!
Should there be a 7digit settlement for kid?  Oh Hell No!
Do I hate cops?  Some of them, damn right!

And don't go spewing any crap about deterrence Nim.

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Also seems that there wasn't much physical damage.  Do a little research and find out how much money has been awarded to people that only have a bruise to show for something.


Not alot, I can attest to that first hand.

Many years ago a friend of mine and I were showing some friends around some caves in north GA.  It's night, we're walking out of the woods, and suddenly a real bright flashlight is shining in our faces from pretty close.  My bud says "How about gettin the light outta my eyes boy."  Next thing a guy says "I ain't yer boy, son", a sherriff's deputy uniform flashes by me, and you hear the resounding crack of a maglite slamming against my bud's hardhat and smashing the light mounted on it.  For the next 15minute or so this cop proceeded to beat my friend senseless, and damn near killed him.

Then we hear the cop calling on the radio for backup, officer needs assistance and an ambulance.

Then it was my turn.  Told to put my hands on a tree so I do.  Get frisked, get cuffed, get slammed in the back of the head and eat dirt.  Kick to the ribs, get flipped over, and get his 9mm jammed in my face.  The muzzel on those things look big enough to drive a KW through in that situation.
So the cop says "ok, I got some questions for ya Sparky.  That's your name, right? Sparky?"  Sometimes it's better to just agree with folks, but I didn't this time, and earned 4-5 shots to the ribs for it.  Then he asks me about his niece who has apparently run away (for the second time) and I tell'im what I know (which was about the first time she ran off, a week or so before).  I get popped a couple more times and he pulls the 9 again, lays it against my forehead, and tells me he's gonna blow my brains out if I don't tell'im what he wants to know.  I accept the fact I was about to die at the hand of a love muffin that needs a clue.

The 'calvary' arrives at this moment, in the form of the backup he called for.  So my friend is loaded into the ambulance, I'm loaded into one the cars that has just arrived, and the cop puts the 3 folks who saw it all into his car to haul'em to the station.

So, I spend a night in jail (charge: assaulting an officer), get some bruises and bruised ribs, and end up with broken glasses.  My friend's lawyer asked me if I'd like him to represent me also, but he didna think I'd get much.  I said sure and didna expect much.  I get the bills for the doc to tell me my ribs are bruised and not fractured paid, a new pair of glasses, and don't make it to 5 digits.  It was so little that the lawyer (and this surprised me!) said he wasn't going to charge me the fee, so I got the whole settlement for my part.  My guess is he got more than he expected for my friend.

The cop was suspended w/ pay a day or two after the incident.  Less than a week later it's changed to suspended w/o pay.  Roughly a month later he was fired (right after the settlement).  Last I heard he was working in a chicken plant gutting chickens.  But that was over a decade ago.

What started it was about two weeks before this happened the guys niece had runaway, and my friend and I were the unwitting fools who gave her a ride to a friend's place in the next county.  When we discovered what she was doing we talked her out of it, she called her grandmother to come get her, and we sat there til her grandmother showed up.  The grandmother even thanked us for helping.  Then a week later she up and runs off again, so my friend and I are the first ones looked at.

And I've no idea when I bothered to tell this tale, save it's been buggin me since this threat started I guess.

Oh, my friend.  Don't know the amount, we never discussed it, but he was verra well off.  But I wouldna be surprised if he made it well into 7 digits.  Broken ribs, fractured arm, permanent damage to his left eye, over a week in the hospital.  They thought he wasn't gonna make it through the first night.  And all that agravated some condition he already had.

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« Reply #142 on: July 10, 2002, 10:46:55 AM »
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Take the woman who burned herself on a cup of coffe at McD. If she had come to a court in sweden asking for compensation for that, the judge would have said something along the lines of "next time you should be more careful when handling cups of hot coffee".


This is often cited as a cause for more common sense in the legal system. I suggest you look into it further. McD's was not only aware of the "excessively" hot coffee they were serving, they knew it was dangerous and tried to cover it up. While there are many frivilous lawsuits out there, this isn't one of them.

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You should see some of my other posts if you think I behaved bad in this one.


Boy Howdy, got that right! :D

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What did you see in the Rodney King video? How did that trial end? Apparently what those cops did was not against the law...Personally I'd say that the King video looks a thousand times worse than this one.


Steve, an all white jury aquitted those police officers, which set off almost a week of rioting in LA. This was not justice and even the Federal Government agreed. Those same officers were later tried in a federal court and found guilty of denying King his civil rights. They all did time.

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« Reply #143 on: July 10, 2002, 11:08:09 AM »
Don't break the frickin law and you don't have to worry about it. Seems simple to me.

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« Reply #144 on: July 10, 2002, 11:10:06 AM »
Concho,
 I definitely get your statement, and appreciate the offer.  And as I’ve stated before I doubt that all or even most cops behave in the negative ways

  The point I was trying to make with my original statement was that while I have to believe that the cops who-

1.  Use their badge as an excuse to cover bad behavior
2.  Lack the basic self control expected from the rest of us
3.  Think that the badge and gun alone should guarantee them respect without any demands on their own conduct to earn it.
4. Lie to get convictions, or any of the other bad behavior seen out there
Are in the minority (God I sure hope so, anyway), they sure make their presence known.

Basically I'm hoping that the reason I see more of them is that if I'm not causing any trouble and I don't call for help, the good cop doesn't have any real reason to stop and have contact with me, he just drives by.

While the love muffin type might just be bored, or whatever his motivation is, but he doesn't need a reason for contact.

And when I call them the ones who show are just the ‘luck of the draw’ I could get either one.

And while I'm sure if I was ever in real need of them showing up, I'd be glad if they did.  Up to now it hasn't came up.  So far as I've seen when they are called in this area it can be a long wait, and when they do show they always seem to have some reason not to do anything.  We rarely even call around here anymore.  You’ll find people much more likely to run and get a neighbor before they'd think to call the cops; he'll be here sooner and be much more effective.

When my neighbor's burglar alarm went off I waited over 45 minutes for the cops to show, when they did it was one woman cop, who asked if it was a false alarm.  When I told her they where at work and the kids at school so I doubted it was a false alarm, she got very nervous and said she couldn't go in and check out the house (back door was standing wide open with the storm door glass busted) because she didn't have back-up.  We finally reached a compromise where she let me check out his house while carrying a baseball bat while she waited outside, after I made her promise many times she wouldn't shoot me (I still had my doubts, that girl was shaking like a leaf, I can't believe anyone thought it was a good idea to give her a gun).
Anyway that was over 10 years ago, we don’t bother even calling much anymore, unless you just need a police report for insurance purposes.

So basically if I seem cynical maybe I am, most of the police contact I've had has been negative and in the few times I have needed them they are either absent or ineffective.

Btw, on that 45+ minute wait.  We live less than 15 minutes from the county and 20 minutes from the city precincts (if traffic is heavy), in town and 1 minute off the freeway, so it's not like they had a long drive.
 It’s amazing how fast the can make the long drive to the rich areas but it takes forever to get to these city areas.

Anyway there have been a lot of changes in our local police since then, the number of people shot by our cops has gone down, and things are getting better. We even had a mayoral (sp?) order banning cops from all donut shops if they are in uniform.  I know it’s a tired old cliché but not to may years ago it wasn’t uncommon to see 3 patrol cars parked at the ‘dunkin donuts’ just ½ mile from the 45-minute response times. And about 1 in 3 of the donut shops have gone out of business since this order was inacted.
But just when I think things are getting better my son comes home and he’s dealing with the same crap I dealt with 20 years ago.

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« Reply #145 on: July 10, 2002, 11:13:03 AM »
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Don't break the frickin law and you don't have to worry about it. Seems simple to me.


You don't seem to get it. With rogue cops, you don't have to break the law to get yer bellybutton whooped. Just take a gander at cavey's post.

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« Reply #146 on: July 10, 2002, 11:18:15 AM »
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More video cameras.



Really.

-Sikboy


Everybody I know owns at least one video camera. :)

You ever lived down south? I sense you have a lynching story to tell. ;)

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« Reply #147 on: July 10, 2002, 11:19:45 AM »
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Anyone wanna bet that a 16 year old that resists arrest, fights with an officer, will become a model citizen?
Or would you bet as I do, this won't be his last run in with the law?
As far as that goes, what is his criminal record to date, anyone know?
The tape tells half the story, all the media & lawyers want to hear


He has no criminal record.

Got any other stupid redneck theories I can wager against?

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« Reply #148 on: July 10, 2002, 11:27:58 AM »
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Steve, an all white jury aquitted those police officers, which set off almost a week of rioting in LA. This was not justice and even the Federal Government agreed. Those same officers were later tried in a federal court and found guilty of denying King his civil rights. They all did time.


Wasn't just LA, I lived in Las Vegas at the time, was rioting there as well including the burning of the Social Security Administration building. Was a scary time, hoping we don't face something like that again over this.

Target, your statement about them all being convicted and doing time didn't quite ring true, found this:
April 17 -- the day of the verdict. Koon and Powell were found guilty; Briseno and Wind were acquitted.  
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« Reply #149 on: July 10, 2002, 11:33:38 AM »
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He has no criminal record.

Got any other stupid redneck theories I can wager against?


He does now :)
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