Anybody seen the lovely new LA police video?

[AKSWulfe]

Ah, I see what you mean Eagler...

It's unfortunate, but since we are a society of lawsuits and lawyers.... stuff like what you mentioned can and will happen.
-SW

[AKDejaVu]

Originally posted by MrLars
Once again, sure he stopped

That's called a fact.

I for one am 99% damn sure that if it weren't for the video tape the only news heard about this would be because of a lawsuit brought against the city by the victim and not because a fellow officer saw the law broken in his presence.

That's called an assumption.  If you believe there is a problem with police officers not reporting this kind of activity, then you are going to assume that they would not report it.  What you've seen in this situation does nothing to enforce or deter from that belief.

Maybe the cop hit the guy because he knew that if it weren't for the handcuffs... the "perp" would be taking a swing at him.

See how attacking someone based on what they'd have done if things had been different can be totally bogus?

AKDejaVu

[hblair]

Originally posted by Oldman731


Heh heh.  "Without going back [more than] 30 years" is the key here, I think.  It took you folks a couple of hundred years to acquire the reputation; pretty tough to lose it in a few decades.

Progressive racial thought didn't take place in the mainstream til well into the 20th century anywhere in the U.S. The armed forces weren't even integrated until after WWII were they not? Lemme guess, it was those ignorant southerners !

My point is that racism's everywhere. Whether we want to admit it or not. Not just those ignorant tobacco chewing rednecks down south. I used to run around with a fella from Michigan. He used the N word a lot. It was embarrassing. He was a real smooth talker though. He knew when and where to be a racist without the wrong people finding out how he was. Still a racist tho.

Originally posted by Oldman731

BTW, wasn't it just a few years back that Mississippi finally officially outlawed slavery?
- oldman

I've never met any slaves from Mississippi have you?

BTW, I stood in the place where Lincoln delivered the Emancipation Proclamtion at Gettysburg a few weeks ago. Pretty cool.

[J_A_B]

"Cops just ain't supposed to hit/beat/slam around anyone when they are subdued and in cuffs. "

Indeed.  If these cops were smart, they would have arrested these guys for something and while transporting them back to the station a "mysterious dog" would run out in front of their cruiser, forcing them to jam on the brakes really hard.....that cage hurts when someone's face whacks into it        

J_A_B

[midnight Target]

Maybe the cop hit the guy because he knew that if it weren't for the handcuffs... the "perp" would be taking a swing at him.

See how attacking someone based on what they'd have done if things had been different can be totally bogus?

Now that is a very good analogy.


I wonder how often this kind of thing happens without being recorded. If I were to believe friends from the South Central and Compton areas (near Inglewood), it happens all too often.

And I am convinced this is about race. Scoff all you want, but this watermelon just ain't happenin in white suburbia. If this kid smarted off to the officer, ask yourself why. What is different in his life experience that makes smarting off to an officer of the law seem ok? Could it be that he has experienced unfair treatment in the past? Maybe he was frustrated for being hassled when all he was was a passenger in a car with expired tags? You all say that what the kid did caused the problems. Maybe the kid was reacting to what the cop did! Then it was the cop that caused the problem wasn't it?

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by hblair


I've never met any slaves from Mississippi have you?

BTW, I stood in the place where Lincoln delivered the Emancipation Proclamtion at Gettysburg a few weeks ago. Pretty cool.

I think you mean the Gettysburg Address......but then you are a Southerner

[NATEDOG]

I have a friend that got the toejam kicked out of him by 3 cops, right here in Dallas......... He got kicked out of a club, found a way back in, got kicked out again, both times for drinking underage...... this time the bouncers got the cops involved, my friend talked alot of toejam, they put him in handcuffs, they had trouble getting him in the car, took him down the block, turned into an alley, took him out of the car and kicked the toejam out of him, then took him to the hospital, and dropped him off. no charges, no nothing...... just an bellybutton beating. This happened in 96, I ask him about it today, why he never sued, why nothing happened, and he says, " It was my fault. ya know, it's funny, I never had a problem with a cop that I was polite to. sometimes it's hard to be polite, sometimes you just have to grin and bare it............ you can talk your toejam after they leave."

[AKDejaVu]

Originally posted by midnight Target
And I am convinced this is about race. Scoff all you want, but this watermelon just ain't happenin in white suburbia. If this kid smarted off to the officer, ask yourself why. What is different in his life experience that makes smarting off to an officer of the law seem ok? Could it be that he has experienced unfair treatment in the past? Maybe he was frustrated for being hassled when all he was was a passenger in a car with expired tags? You all say that what the kid did caused the problems. Maybe the kid was reacting to what the cop did! Then it was the cop that caused the problem wasn't it?

Why is it important what affected the kid's decission to assault the officer... but not important what affected the officer's decision to strike the kid.

Two kids growing up with very similar backgrounds might have made very dissimilar decisions here.

To be honest... its no less racist to sit here and make assumptions or inferances about the past history of someone you saw in video footage based solely on the fact that he was black and scuffled with a police officer.

Its also racist to assume that because a police officer is white and the victim was black that the cop did it because of race.  

Seemed something happened that caused a cut over the officer's ear.  I wonder if the fact that someone cut him had him so pissed?  I think everyone can agree that would be the case.  How much that rage was enhanced by the fact that it was a black man that did it?  We can all agree that nobody will ever know.

AKDejaVu

[MrLars]

Originally posted by AKDejaVu
That's called an assumption.  If you believe there is a problem with police officers not reporting this kind of activity, then you are going to assume that they would not report it.  

You're right, that was/is my assumption of what possibly would have happened.

Kind of hard for me not to draw that kind of picture since I was a victim of police brutality once in the early '70s. My only crime was having long hair and riding a hawg ...in Eufala county Oklahoma.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Fatty
Prolly another one of them stoners.  I usually tip a cop at least $20 when I see them pound a stoner, there's just something too funny about it.

ROTFL!

[Maverick]

I'd like to make a couple of points here on this subject.

First I haven't seen the whole tape or looked at all the reports. None here has either. Saying that, the actions I saw were not justified and merit punishment. Now the severity of the punishment is likely to be more than the kid would have gotten for the same actions to a civilian.

There is no clear logical LEGAL justification for striking a prisoner who is not STILL ACTIVELY fighting. Caps for those times for those under arrest who don't know you are supposed to stop fighting at that time. Unfortunately quite a few arrestess fall in that category. That is why you are trained to use leg hobbles and restrain ALL appendages of the suspect.

As for what the rest of cops think of this.... Frankly in my jurisdiction we tell the fellow officer that screwed up that he did in fact screw up. Most of us would line up to hold the door open to allow the chief to kick his butt outa the station. The "legal system"  will add all the other additional punishment that the conduct deserves, and then some with all the law suits. Remember some places the legal protection stops if you are found in violation "grievously" of you departments policies and in violation of law. That means his home is likely gone as well and any other property he had as a result of the suit.

This type of situation makes it harder for the rest of us to do our job.

Last take on this type of situation. Cops ARE people first and last. All the foibles that the rest of humanity have are present. Some can handle it and do the job and others can't. That's a fact of life. The simple fact is the reason that this is SUCH a sensation is that it isn't the norm. This is not the example of the majority of what happens, no matter what the claims of some "wounded cows" that have posted on the board.

It has been my experiance in a career on the street that most people get along ok. There are groups that don't and cops are convenient targets.

I have been shot at, stabbed, hit, kicked, run into by a car and spit upon. I have been subjected to a tremendous amount of verbal abuse by the same people who called me to the situation in the first place just because they didn't get their way. (like a traffic ticket) Sometimes it's kind of hard to adress someone as "sir" or "maam" after they have used language towards you, threatened your home, wife and family directly as well as tried to hurt you physically. You still have to do it though.

Before you cast this cop in the darkest dungeon in the land walk a bit in our shoes and see what it's like. You might be amased at the difference.


PS on the basis of what little I saw he WAS wrong.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by NATEDOG
I have a friend that got the toejam kicked out of him by 3 cops, right here in Dallas......... He got kicked out of a club, found a way back in, got kicked out again, both times for drinking underage...... this time the bouncers got the cops involved, my friend talked alot of toejam, they put him in handcuffs, they had trouble getting him in the car, took him down the block, turned into an alley, took him out of the car and kicked the toejam out of him, then took him to the hospital, and dropped him off. no charges, no nothing...... just an bellybutton beating. This happened in 96, I ask him about it today, why he never sued, why nothing happened, and he says, " It was my fault. ya know, it's funny, I never had a problem with a cop that I was polite to. sometimes it's hard to be polite, sometimes you just have to grin and bare it............ you can talk your toejam after they leave."

Great story Natedog. If it came down to an asskickin' or a year in jail I'd take the asskickin' every time. Some folks just need to have their tulips kicked every now and then.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by hblair
Kinda OT, but why does the south, particularly Alabama always get pinned as the mecca for racism? Seems every year or two we get these stories of racial unrest from California

More video cameras.



Really.

-Sikboy

[JB73]

you all talk about the suspect being under control when handcuffs... you dont really think somone is not a threat when in cuffs do you?
a good friend of mine is an officer and i know of a few times a cuffed suspect caused major trouble. my bud's partner got kicked in the balls by a cuffed prep while reading his rights to him. my bud got spit on numerous times once by an HIV positive hooker. 1 time a dude even headbutted him and cut open his skin a bit. you think an officer is safe from dangerous people just because they have cuffs on.. think again. as stated earlier in this thread you need to know what the suspect did before what we see in the video.

[aknimitz]

This may have been posted already, I got tired of looking. But did anyone hear that the kid was mildly retarded? I was watching some show today while working out at lunch and heard them discussing this. I dont know if it has been confirmed or not, but oh toejam if he was.

And another note, and again probably answered somehwere in this thread, do we know what the kid was doing? I couldnt agree more with Apache's comments. Police officers are to protect people in custody unless they themselves are in danger. How could you possibly be in danger from a kid in handcuffs when you have about 5 other cops with you?

Outrageous conduct. I hope all of those involved are fired, fined and suffer. I hope the kid and family sue the piss out of the PD and win. I hope you guys realize this goes on everday, all across the nation. Tragic ... but true.

Nim