midnight Target:Who said it wasn't offensive?
It's very offensive!
And he has every right to sing it, write it, say it. Sure - as long as Heston is not obligated to participate in producing/selling it.
Sandman_SBM: It's hypocritical for Heston to disavow "cultural correctness" and then to attack Ice-T's "culturally incorrect" song. Isn't it hyppocrytical for you to defend Ice-T's expression about police and sodomizing minors, but disawow Heston's expression about Ice-T's expression about police and sodomizing minors?
If Ice-T took pictures of Al Gore's nieces and photo-shoped them in pornographic images, they would still be considered child pornography and he would go to jail under current laws. Taking their names and singing graphic descriptions of the same vile acts does not apparently violate the law. But I can see how a person would not be willing to participate in distributing such material - even if it cost him a few bucks lost profit.
I think you missed a significant point here. The shareholders of Time-Warner present at the meeting had no idea what lyrics their company was distributing for their enrichment. According to C. Heston's account he just rose to the stage, read the lyric and left - without even making additional comments - as if he needed to to make his point!
Apparently many people were gratefull for being given such information based on which they could make their own informed decision.
So, how can you call providing literal factual information to ignorant people who were involved in the company "a hypocrytical attack"? He just read the same lyrics that the Ice-T was singing himself. For all practical purposes he spread that lyrics to the people who would have never heard it otherwise.
Yes, telling people simple truth about the content of the lyrics made some of them want to stop participating in it's distribution. Is that Heston's fault?
Heston disawows the fact that normal acts and expressions that have been normal for millenia are outlawed and presented as offencive and even punishable.
Heston did not present the Ice-T's lyrics as offencive - he just presented it. Quite a difference.
I am sure Heston would have defended Ice-T's right to create and offer for sale those lyrics without fear of prosecution, however disgusted he felt about them - he just would not want to participate himself or allow his associates to do so through lack of knowlege.
Sandman_SBM: Heston was a democrat at one time. He is what? A hundred? Ok, I know he's 78 - still a lot. Sixty years ago democrats were quite different than than they are now. They did not think then that we needed to subcidise underclass procreation, needed to nationalise healthcare, increase taxes, institute Affirmative Action, etc.
GRUNHERZ: As for David Duke he is? a KKK guy and I think they go too far the other way so I am uncomfortable with him also. OK, you've labeled him. I looked at the KKK website and they claim they are not racicts either...
What does he say that you disagree with - could you find out? I am not implying that he does not say anything bad - just that his statements come with explanations and so far I found no flaw.
I read Hitler's "Mein Kamph" - a huge book, about 1000 pages and "Hitler's Table Talk" - even bigger tome (and even more revealing because not prepared and edited by him) of stenograms of his rumblings in private company of close associates. I can easily see where he comes from, but also logical and factual flaws in his premises and arguments.
If David Duke or his ilk are prospective future hitlers, shouldn't we be a bit more familiar with their arguments? I am not thinking of turning a nazi, but if I did consider joining KKK, would you have been able to dissuade me with logical arguments?
BTW - I read "The bell curve" for the same reason, I believed that one though. Even read twice as volumnous and much more mathematical A. Jencen's work to verify it. Somehow people who argue against both (and call me racist) never bothered to read either...
P.S. For those not thoroughly familiar with netiquette, using the name of Hitler in a thread is a subject to what's'his'name law only if the other side is likened to him - not the case here.
miko
