Charlton Heston's speech

[GRUNHERZ]

MT:

"Chuck did the same thing in going to the shareholders of Time Warner that he raled against in the beginning of his speech."


I know I'm a blathering neandertal and all but please try your inellectually superior leftist best to explain what in the hell does Heston's speech have to do with a racist (AGAIN!) possibly inciting a crime?

Why are you lefties constantly trying to tie Hestons speech to racism over and over again? Is what he said so terrifying that the racist blackmail tactic simply must be used?

[Elfenwolf]

Originally posted by Shuckins


Heston fell out of favor with the new generation of Hollywood actors when he dared to speak up for conservative political causes.  No major acting roles have come his way in a long time.  In effect, he has been blacklisted by the very community who protested that particular evil so vehemently during the 1950's.  

Regards, Shuckins

Shuckins, please don't paint Charlton Heston as a martyr who has been denied movie roles because of his politics or I'll paint Jane Fonda as being equally ostercized by the movie industry for HER outspoken political beliefs. Anyway James Garner, Clint Eastwood, John Wayne and I'm sure many others have held conservative viewpoints without losing movie roles. Sheeesh, Shuckins, this is the first irresponsible statement I've ever read from you- most of us offer one irresponsible statement per post.

[Elfenwolf]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ

Elfenwolf you are a child molestor.

GRUNHERZ, if I am a child molestor then you are a RACIST child molestor. At least I'm not so racist I refuse to molest children of color. Where in the hell is my five hundred dollars, you racist?

[GRUNHERZ]

So you are saying any form of racism is worse than child molestation?

Your $500? I think Jesse Jackson has all the "racism" money these days, call him.

[weazel]

"Now, that is one hell of an open liberal mind at work.

Address his points one by one and say where you disgree and why. You may even try to argue that your point of view is more valid/true/commonsensical/reasonable than his.


As it is, you said completely nothing.

Care to define "liberal", and the thought process you use to arrive at the conclusion that the label fits a person?

Then direct me to where Groinhurtz made any "points" in this thread.

I don't see the questions, all I see is the usual pathetic right wing nonsense blaming every problem in America on the "liberal" boogeyman.


Chuck made a pretty good speech, if he's a "conservative" why doesn't he babble the usual "conservative" platitudes while speaking?

I say it's because he appears smart enough to recognize roadkill when he sees or smells it, unlike so many Americans who have bought into the fairy tale called "conservatism".

The typical  response from "conservatives" is to yell "A LIBERAL, GET HIM BOYS!" when anyone disagrees with the ignorant roadkill fed to them by the carpet baggers in Washington.

You so called "conservatives" should pretend his speech is a mirror and honestly judge your own reflection in it before you judge anyone else......do you have the intestinal fortitude to act as he did....to champion an unpopular cause regardless of personal consequences.....the courage to speak out if it's the *right* thing to do?

Judging from the impressions I have formed from responses to other threads, *most* of you so called "conservatives" will find yourselves lacking if your capable of personal honesty.  
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I didn't try to instruct you in anything maverick, I just pointed out your incorrect assumption....and why I find the so called "conservative" mindset repugnant.

[GRUNHERZ]

"Sandman why are trying to say Heston's speech was racist and by implication he a racist himself? And dont go be an amazinhunk by saying the David Duke reference, isnt meant to imply just that."


Exactly which part of my "point" do you not understand?

[weazel]

I'm fully aware Duke is a racist, and my moniker isn't sandman.

Why should I answer a "point" addressed to him?  

Hell.....mietla can search this forum back to day one and I seriously doubt he will find *any* rational contribution from you.

I hear there are therapists who are able to help people who have been "conditioned" sort out the difference between reality and fantasy.

For your own well being you might consider finding one.

[Sandman]

The Extremism, Racism, Sexism, Legal Woes, and Gun Industry Ties of the National Rifle Association's Board of Directors.

The more blatant racists all seem to like Heston's Cultural War speeches.

Why is that?

[GRUNHERZ]

Once again your post includes nothing but name calling and of course avoiding the actual argument, perhaps mietla should do a search on you.

And again Sandman is saying Heston is a racist....  

You just cant stop... Cant you?

[Shuckins]

Elfenwolf,

Go back and read my entire post.  The point I was trying to make is that the Hollywood community has changed. The Hollywood actors with conservative political viewpoints you have mentioned are all either dead or at the tail-end of their active careers.  The only one of them who has made any big-budget pictures in recent years is Clint Eastwood.

How many of the younger actors in Hollywood can you name that have conservative values?  Make a list.  Then compare it to the list of those that espouse liberal values.  Do these lists reflect an accurate reflection of the political makeup of the population at large?

Jane Fonda!?  You are joking aren't you?  She was ostracized not only by Hollywood but the American public.  Can anything Heston has done or said compare to the infamous trip to North Vietnam, or the repulsive things she said about American prisoners of war who returned home and told tales of being tortured for refusing to cooperate with the propaganda campaign she and the North Vietnamese whipped up?  Her own father disowned her after that little episode of insanity.

Why the hostility towards this man?  What particular thing is it that he stands for that brings out such virulent scorn by some of those on the political left?  The speech itself mentions defending freedom of speech, civil disobedience, and non-violent protest...all doctrines embraced by the left during the 1960's, and by most conservatives as well.  When it comes right down to it, the two extremes of the political spectrume are more alike than they care to admit.

Regards, Shuckins

[Elfenwolf]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So you are saying any form of racism is worse than child molestation?
.

No, GRUNHERZ, but what I CAN say is that in this thread YOU are the one who first used the word "Racisim" and YOU are the first to use the phrase "child molestor." In fact- scroll back. Every one of your posts in this thread contains some of these words. Actually YOU are the one who called ME a child molestor- all I did was LOL and respond to a roll-the-dice challange issued by Sandman. As for which is worse?? LOL You seem to think they're equal in insult value but I hope you don't actually believe being racist is comperable to being a pedophile because we already know you're a racist... now send me my money you pig.

[Elfenwolf]

Originally posted by Shuckins
Elfenwolf,

Go back and read my entire post.  The point I was trying to make is that the Hollywood community has changed. The Hollywood actors with conservative political viewpoints you have mentioned are all either dead or at the tail-end of their active careers.  The only one of them who has made any big-budget pictures in recent years is Clint Eastwood.

How many of the younger actors in Hollywood can you name that have conservative values?  Make a list.  Then compare it to the list of those that espouse liberal values.  Do these lists reflect an accurate reflection of the political makeup of the population at large?

Jane Fonda!?  You are joking aren't you?  She was ostracized not only by Hollywood but the American public.  Can anything Heston has done or said compare to the infamous trip to North Vietnam, or the repulsive things she said about American prisoners of war who returned home and told tales of being tortured for refusing to cooperate with the propaganda campaign she and the North Vietnamese whipped up?  Her own father disowned her after that little episode of insanity.

Why the hostility towards this man?  What particular thing is it that he stands for that brings out such virulent scorn by some of those on the political left?  The speech itself mentions defending freedom of speech, civil disobedience, and non-violent protest...all doctrines embraced by the left during the 1960's, and by most conservatives as well.  When it comes right down to it, the two extremes of the political spectrume are more alike than they care to admit.

Regards, Shuckins

Shuckins, I respect Charlton Heston as an advocate of his cause, the NRA. I understand Mr. Heston can't be objective because his position within the organization requires him to be totally subjective. He is an advocate and were he to be less extremist in his opposition to gun control he would be an ineffective advocate.
He is a spin doctor, an idealogue and a demigod for his cause and he'll promote the NRA agenda at every turn- I have no hostility towards Charlton Heston but rather admiration for the strong leadership he offers to his cause.

However, what recent Hollywood roles did Charelton Heston miss out upon because of his political point of view? Did his political viewpoint cause him to lose the casting call to Russell Crowe in Gladiator? Hey, he was right there in the final cut for the lead in Spiderman, but Toby McGwire is a socialist so he got the nod. Yeah, that's it. I wonder how "Cable Guy" would have been had they casted Chuck instead of Jim Carey the Commie in the lead? Personally I think Charleton Heston would have been perfect in "Dude Wheres My Car" but they gave the part to Adam-Whatever the kid's name is. Sorry, but Chuck's last casting call was against Rodney Dangerfield in "Back To School," and Chuck couldn't do his own stunts like Rodney could.

[weazel]

Typical "conservative" argument...misdirection and lies.  

Your straw man has no stuffing, similar to your argument, all you need to do is throw a Bill Clinton comment in to make it complete.

Still waiting for an answer mietla, your silence leads me to believe you don't have one......just like the so called "conservative" political party.

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Once again your post includes nothing but name calling and of course avoiding the actual argument, perhaps mietla should do a search on you.

And again Sandman is saying Heston is a racist....  

You just cant stop... Cant you?

[midnight Target]

Lets just see how truthful Chuck was:

At Antioch college in Ohio, young men seeking intimacy with a coed must get verbal permission at each step of the process from kissing to petting to final copulation ... all clearly spelled out in a printed college directive.

Here is that directive: Looks like a reasonable explanation of the Schools policy regarding consenual sex. http://www.antioch-college.edu/survival/html/sopp.html

In New Jersey, despite the death of several patients nationwide who had been infected by dentists who had concealed their AIDs - the state commissioner announced that health providers who are HIV-positive need not….need not. . . .tell their patients that they are infected.

The JAMA says -  Implementation of the current national policy at the local level poses significant human rights burdens on HCWs (Health Care Workers), but does not improve patient safety. (in other words New Jersey is correct)

[Hortlund]

"New Jersey is correct"?

This is absurd on so many levels. A policy desicion is just that, a policy desicion. No right or wrong there, just a political desicion. Then people like you and me decide whether they think that is a good policy or not...the "right or wrong" is in the eyes of the beholder...like it always is.

I dont know about you Midnight, but when I go to the dentist, I'd sure as he** would like to know if he has HIV or not.

Maybe the dentist has the right to continue to practice..eh "dentistry" even though he is HIV positive...I dunno what your laws say about that.  But it is also my right to choose whether I would want to be treated by him or not.