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Offline Curval

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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2002, 08:13:27 AM »
I smell lawsuit!  

You can hire a lawyer who will work on the basis that he won't get paid unless YOU get a settlement.  Then set that pitbull loose dude!  

Get yourself another job and then wait until the check arrives.  Any large employer will settle such cases out of court my man, just to avoid any negaive publicity.

Come on...sue the bums...it's the American Way.
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2002, 08:18:29 AM »
Few years ago things weren't going the way I planned in company I work for and I had a nice fight with boss of the another section (he was the one who ruined my plans).
I shouted him like mad in his office and his co-worker was there too.
That co-worker told me later that after I stormed out from the office my boss said "Hehe, Good guy".
6 month later he become our boss too and when he came he asked me to come to visit him in his office. My thoughs were "dam I'm in deep watermelon now..." and I was more than stunned when he did ask me to be his "right hand" and take care one of our shifts :D

It can look bad first but there's also possibility it turns to a blessing :)

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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2002, 08:24:54 AM »
Most people go through their entire lives working for the man, answering at his beck n call and feeling that they are never in control of their own working existance.

You work in Retail which is a notoriously high staff turnover occupation and one where jobs in that industry can be a dime a dozen and where loyalty is often an expected one way street.

The bottom line is that they dicked you around. You stood up for yourself after showing great restraint and can walk out of the job knowing you didnt take their crap laying down.

It cost you the job. Its not the end of the world. Pick up a crappy job till you get something better.  Many people say their are no jobs about whilst employers are screaming for employees. It comes down to what people themselves are prepared to do. Many write off less glamourous occupations cause they wouldnt want to tell anyone what they are doing for a living.  Well most of us have done one at least at some point in our lives.

Walk out with your head held high. If you have a Better Business or Employee Protection agency in your area, report the incident to them to follow up and take action. And take the first thing that swings your way until something better shows up for the grabbing.

Dont go through life taking everyones crap. At the end of the day, if you can still hold your head up high, Your a success.

And the boys above are correct. Women in leading positions or positions of authority always have at least one capital squeak in their ranks.  That goes worldwide and is a male recognised occupational health hazard.  

If you cant screw them, avoid them.  Theres your choices :)
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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2002, 08:28:23 AM »
Urchin, call your state employment or attourney general and ask them what you can do...this sounds like an excuse to fire you as you said.  don't let them get off so easy.

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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2002, 08:34:44 AM »
Time for a banana or a potato in the tailpipe :)

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and remember... banana's come in bunches :D
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« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2002, 09:14:23 AM »
Talk to a Labor Attorney and see what he/she say's.  

Sounds like you got screwed to me.  

If you had raised your voice to a male you'd still have your job, woman have more rights than they realize in the work place (more than men).   IMHO

The woman that do realize they have the upper hand in the workplace are the ones I cannot stand and are the ones you need to watch your back with at ALL times.

Short story...
A friend of mine was let go by his female boss for a similar offense; the female HR directory refused him an exit interview (he wanted his side of the story told).  The company also refused to pay unemployment.

What finally happened:
Unemployment was paid (friend fought it)
Friend was a IT person so he knew his large corporation was not correctly licensed with all the software they used.  He turned them into the SPA (Software Piracy Assoc. which is now called something else), Microsoft, Novell, etc.

He later found out the company was fined $500,000 and he collected unemployment for the full allowed time, as he was doing contract work.  

I think he got a little revenge and he did it legally! :D

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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2002, 09:20:16 AM »
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Time for a banana or a potato in the tailpipe :)

fuzeman

and remember... banana's come in bunches :D


I'll have to find a copy of that handbook to see if cussing is listed as a 'terminable offense'.

If thisis the case, you are toast - shake it off and move on

In the meantime find a way to hide a dead fish in the payroll squeak's car - door panel/hub cap or somewhere not easily discovered

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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2002, 10:13:48 AM »
1. You fu..  er messed up. Shouldn't have cussed dammit!

2. Your former employer MAY NOT pass on why you were terminated. They can legally give only your dates starting and ending your time there.

3. You need to file for unemployment compensation and let them make the case against you. The employee almost always wins these things. In California it is actually written into the law that an employee cannot be fired for a one time outburst due to anger. (This bit me once as an employer).

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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2002, 10:42:37 AM »
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3. You need to file for unemployment compensation and let them make the case against you. The employee almost always wins these things. In California it is actually written into the law that an employee cannot be fired for a one time outburst due to anger. (This bit me once as an employer).


Hold it!  After the latest law passed in CA, I could do the following:

A)Buy a gun
B)Shoot my employer
C)The employers widow whom I'm having an affair with can sue the gun manufacturer and score big bucks for a dead hubby.
D)First offense for me, so I'm off scott-free.


Oh dear, I think I'm moving to Kalifornicate!

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« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2002, 11:01:30 AM »
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D)First offense for me, so I'm off scott-free.




True, you won't be fired for shooting your boss. But once you miss a day or two of work (on account of being in jail for murder) I think they have the green light to 86 you :)

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« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2002, 11:07:05 AM »
Don't sweat it.  I suspect you were a cashier, probably there for less than 6 months.  Maybe it was your first job.  Your choice as to whether you want to include it on your resume' or job application for your next job.  At the job interview, when they ask why you left the job, tell them you swore at the payroll clerk because she was emotionally erect and you were under pressure to meet a deadline.

It won't be the first time you'll get fired for some reason or other.  I can honestly say that every time I've been fired, it was actually a good thing because it forced me to get out there and find something better.

Brief history:

Fired from a cashier job at a video arcade at the end of summer.  Money was missing from the till and I was the cashier.  I didn't take it (it was a nominal amount) and money had disappeared from the till a few weeks earlier - same amount, too.  They warned us to be on the look-out for till-snatchers (the register was in an unlocked, open kiosk) but that was the extent of their "improved security" steps.  I was one of two people on duty on the night in question and the other was the assistant manager.  Guess who took the fall.  But hey, to be honest, their busy season was over since schools were starting up and they needed to get rid of someone anyway.  It was a Summer job and never went on my professional resume.  That arcade is out of business now. Their other location closed up, too.  I suspect the money was being drained from higher-up the employee ladder, if you know what I mean.

Fired from a law firm for being overworked and undertrained.  I was a bankruptcy paralegal and the caseload slipped.  At the weekly review meeting with the court trustee my boss made a comment to the client that I'm "an 80%-er.  He gets 80% of his work done and the rest falls by the wayside because of his incompetence." I took offense at the remark,and the fact that I had just been insulted in front of the client.  I felt he was using me to excuse his own failing. We got into a bicker right there in the conference room.  I can't remember if I quit or if I was fired, but in the end it didn't really matter.  My short-term solution was to do temp-work, and at the placement interview the lady noticed that I had worked for that certain firm.  She asked why I didn't work there and I told her.  She said "yeah, we have a hard time finding people willing to work for him.  He's gotten a bit of a reputation with our people. He goes through a lot of employees in a short period of time."  The firm later dissolved because my ex-boss couldn't find a partner willing to work with him, and his wife later divorced him.  And the temp job?  I did some of the most diverse jobs and explored possibilities in fields I otherwise would've ignored.  The hourly pay sucked and I couldn't make any long-term plans but I had a lot of fun doing the work.

I had also quit another, larger law firm, for pretty much the same reason - high volume, long hours, low pay, jerk of a boss.  The lead attorney/small business owner was later hauled up on charges for abusing his position, the bankruptcy court, and violating his license when he purchased the personal assets of one of his clients without reporting it to the court in the bankruptcy petition.  Sort of a "don't report it because it'll get sold off to creditors.  I'll buy it from you instead, and you won't have to declare it as an asset."  He lost his license and sold the business to a couple of junior attorneys in the firm because none of the established firms in the area wanted to touch him.

So, really, don't get depressed over losing a job.  Look at it as being free to explore new career paths.  Bad people usually get what's coming to them, eventually.

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« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2002, 11:18:35 AM »
There's two sides to every story, and we've only heard one.

Consider this- it is quite possible there are ironclad rules in place that state, as a company policy, even one offense of a certain type results in termination, regardless of mitigating circumstances. We certainly have them in place, and I can pretty much tell you that cursing out a fellow employee (or student) is one of them. Next, you can be wrong and right at the same time. A fellow worker was close to being fired here because of the way he reacted to a bad situation. He was right, he had been given a raw deal, but he was wrong in how he tried to cope.

Some fields of work are completely intolerant of outbursts of any kind. You guys are real quick to jump on policemen that have a bad day and take it out on others, or on teachers, or other professions that deal with people, yet you don't seem to think it is possible the same standards should be applied to all workers. The manager here would be in a tough spot, because the book clearly spells out this was a violation. There might have been witnesses that verify the payroll person's claim. It might have happened in front of customers. There may be a history of this behavior. There's a whole lot we don't know.

Honestly, I am curious about the other side of the story, and also curious about other people with management experience view this.

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« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2002, 12:00:47 PM »
Urcin, I have worked for big and small companies, before starting my own. Its true what others say, giving a bad or misinformation of an ex employee can lead to unlimited lawsuits. I for one want the truth on resumes, If you came to me and said during interview, sir listen last employer fired me for using foul words when I was upset. then you explained why you were upset and were sorry that you used vulgar language towards the lady. This would go along way in hiring a person to me and many others in HR that I know. It would show you were truthful and learned from this situation.


 Your company was left with no choice but to fire you, Once you used vulgar language. If they kept you they would be facing a lawsuit for payroll clerk. Creating an unsafe environment, second if you stayed and touched her or again swore at her, Her lawsuit would be in millions. When we have Hand books written first thing lawyers say is" IF YOU PUT IT IN HAND BOOK YOU MUST IN-FORCE IT EVERY TIME."

 And lastly when you ask for a favor you cannot be demanding, as this was a favor from them to pay you in advance. Now this is hard but its truth. I've paid employees in advance 50% get its a favor. after while some think its policy to get checks when they want and would go straight to finance clerk. And they have their orders not to hand out checks in advance. The girl was doing her job, If you think about her instead of you, you'll see she probably has been lied to by others to get checks, and has learned over time to tell employees have manager come get your check. Only employee in your claim that is a little at fault is manager, for he or she let you down by not doing this FAVOR to you.

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« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2002, 12:05:37 PM »
You've just learned a very valuable lesson.

Remember these jobs:
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NEVER yell at these people.  ALWAYS agree with them.  ALWAYS sympathize with them and ALWAYS agree that they have a heavier workload than any mortal should have.  Face it, most people only really talk to them when they have problems or need something.  You can be someone who is being nice and needs something, or someone who is being a toejam (deserved or not) and needs something.  

Next time, don't play go-between.  If there's a manager that said it should be OK (second manager) then have him talk to the payroll person.  Your job is to nod in agreement and then find someone else to do the yelling.

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« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2002, 12:11:57 PM »
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" IF YOU PUT IT IN HAND BOOK YOU MUST IN-FORCE IT EVERY TIME."


This gets sticky only if you don't phrase the rule properly. All of ours say  "....... up to and including possible termination".

My guess is that you weren't fired for "cussing at the clerk" as much as you were fired because the clerk felt offended / harrassed / that the work environment had become hostile (maybe with good reason).

Once she complained to a manager that she felt this way, your employers hands were tied. Doing nothing was not an option. Giving you a warning might have exacerbated the situation and the clerk might feel that she is unable to work with you any longer.

The worst thing that could happen is that the clerk would quit her job over this incident claiming that the company didn't "protect her" from a hostile environment. Lawyers would be in a feeding frenzy over that one.  
 
I would have canned ya too Urchin. Sorry.