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Offline X2Lee

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« Reply #90 on: September 26, 2002, 09:21:55 PM »
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So... here's the rub, I have no reason to believe (in fact quite the opposite) that an individual who sees no problem in "playing" or "fantasizing" about war crimes wouldn't do these things under the stress of real combat.
Ok, now unless someone else directly interacts, I'll leave it at that - really.  :)

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Ok preach, give me your rationalazation for a preacher who fantasizes about war games.

Using your logic this seems a horible sin.
Have YOU ever stafed the church for a capture?
Or bombed the city knowing that theres a church there?
Or have you given thought to the innocent women and children in the "Cities?"

If not at the very least you have killed someones son flyin home to see his loved ones.

Or maybe its just a game?

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« Reply #91 on: September 26, 2002, 11:47:38 PM »
Hi Tommy,

Actually there are several Pastors who fly AH and many evangelical laymen as well. Your question forces me into the realm of theology, which I have been trying to specifically avoid, because I don't think this BBS is designed for it and experience tells me that most players are not interested in reading it (in fact it makes many people very angry). So what I'll do is answer your questions as quickly as possible and then if you wish to discuss any of this further  - and I'll extend that invitation to anyone else -you can contact me via email at: ajwebb@erols.com

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Ok preach, give me your rationalazation for a preacher who fantasizes about war games.

Using your logic this seems a horible sin.
Have YOU ever stafed the church for a capture?
Or bombed the city knowing that theres a church there?
Or have you given thought to the innocent women and children in the "Cities?"

If not at the very least you have killed someones son flyin home to see his loved ones.

Or maybe its just a game?

Tommy
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[WARNING THEOLOGY COMING, STOP READING NOW IF YOU ARE LIKELY TO BECOME HOPPING MAD]

Tommy, I don't know if you are familiar with the Christian concept of "just war theory" but Romans 13 (check out 13:4 in particular) clearly indicates that God has given the sword to the civil magistrate for the punishment of evil doers. This isn't limited to evil doers within the state, but without it as well. The Sword is obviously indicative of Capital and not corporal punishment. Paul is talking here about the death penalty and defensive war. Therefore, war, while it is always regrettable is often necessary. But we should, even in war, never forget fundamental concepts like mercy and even kindness. America displayed that in spades in the way it treated its vanquished enemies after the 2nd World War. So, playing a war games is not inherently sinful or wrong. You would hopefully wage the real thing within biblical parameters, so playing the simulation shouldn't be different. And you should know that the biblical constraints placed on Pastors are no different from any other Christian. True we are supposed to be exemplars in one sense, but so are all Christians (Matt. 5:16)

And yes, while I've "blowed up the town real good" on occasion, like many other players, I'm not happy with the strat and capture system at all. I haven't discussed it in public because I think it would produce just the kind of messages we've seen here "I LOOOOVE to Strafe the church and kill the 'cultists'" (oh yeah, that's not an expression of the thoughts of the heart) but I do plan on contacting HT directly to ask if that can be changed. I think if the church were a synagogue, a mosque, or even a Hospital people might be a tad more outraged about it. And yes, whenever possible I try to avoid having to be the one to take down the church. But unfortunately, until the capture system changed, destroying the town is necessary to win the war in this game.  Shooting chutes on the other hand, is not even remotely necessary, and can't be considered a just war sim.

Oh, and before you are so quick to say our actions in a game have no link to our hearts consider my annecdote about Microsoft Flight sim in Egypt.

Ok, thats more than enough online, any further replies, please post them to me via email. I *really* don't want to offend the user community and the BBS administrator by saying anymore online.

Andy
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« Reply #92 on: September 27, 2002, 08:16:10 AM »
sorry seagoon... it don't wash..  "just war"???  I got no problem with christians fighting in a just war but...  What about this game simulates a 'just war'?

this is a simulation/game about air combat.  Killing every red plane you see.   Who is the evil empire here?   Who is the fascist enemy of freedom?  Perhaps you see the evil of those who fly under the dildo icon?

face it...  you are in it for the porn of killing.   The object of AH has allways been to rack up a score by killing average everyday fellow humans and get away with it..  

by your own logic.... you are doomed to be a serial killer if you continue down this road of virtual porn.

so don't give me any crap about shooting chutes...  you serial killer.
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« Reply #93 on: September 27, 2002, 08:32:48 AM »
besides we all know that the people who do bad things to sheep, try and hide in the churches.

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« Reply #94 on: September 27, 2002, 08:54:27 AM »
Where do I sign up for the holy war?  As long as the other side has parachutes, I'm game.

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« Reply #95 on: September 27, 2002, 11:42:12 AM »
Like I said, I'm done here. But if you want to continue discussing the subject feel free to send me an email: ajwebb@erols.com

Pax,

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« Reply #96 on: September 27, 2002, 02:27:00 PM »
seagoon.. I would also say that it is more likely that you will become a serial killer from playing AH than most since you seem to have the most difficulty seperating reality from simming and.....

you actually believe that there is a connection between what you do in a game or online and what you do in real life whereas most don't.
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« Reply #97 on: September 27, 2002, 03:14:43 PM »
Shooting chutes on the other hand, is not even remotely necessary

In all due respect, just what in the hell is Channel 1 for then?

Zeroping and his chat-happy sappy minions to undermine the great religous war against SAW inspired drivel and backslapping S! craptafic gayness?

Certainly not.

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« Reply #98 on: September 27, 2002, 03:33:51 PM »
wha?!?!?!?!?!   this is a game ?!?!?!?

sigh....

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« Reply #99 on: September 27, 2002, 03:56:05 PM »
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besides we all know that the people who do bad things to sheep, try and hide in the churches.

;)


edited out a stupid religious comment...

« Last Edit: September 27, 2002, 03:58:19 PM by MrLars »

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« Reply #100 on: September 27, 2002, 04:21:33 PM »
If you don't want to get shot in your chute, don't bail out. If you don't want to die in this GAME, don't get out of the tower. If you couldn't figure this out on your own, cancel your account and take your daddy's stolen credit card back to him.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p
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« Reply #101 on: September 27, 2002, 04:40:26 PM »
I sat on the ground and watched this stupid NewU person try and shoot me while i was in a desert. So I was an easy target. It took him 10 minutes to kill me. But that was after he dropped his pair o 500 pounders.:D It was sooooooo funny. I was cussin him out the whole time.

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« Reply #102 on: September 27, 2002, 06:43:33 PM »
I cannot be bothered to read the entire thread. It should be deleted immediately because:  There is NO reason for NOT chuting the chutes.  There IS a reason to perforate them:   EVERY chute I have shot has BLOWN UP.  That is a SURE SIGN that the person is loaded with explosives, and we all know what he intends to do with that.  So, to save civilian lives on the ground, u must KILL THEM.  And we all know that loyal patriotic fun lovin' Republicans carry HANDGUNS not EXPLOSIVES!

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« Reply #103 on: September 27, 2002, 07:14:22 PM »
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you actually believe that there is a connection between what you do in a game or online and what you do in real life whereas most don't.
lazs


I have to agree with this fellow Reverend.

You are saying that I have no character because I am a "big dweeb" and shoot chutes.

And I have thought about whether God liked me strafing the church to play my game.

Then I thought, well the town needs a church so we cant leave it out, besides God knows I am just playing a airplane game so everytins cool. (besides thats where the arabs are hiding out)
 
;)

I CAN separate this from my GAME.

I joined a Squadron called the "Damned" They have a devil logo...

You think I am involved in some sort of a cult or is it just a bunch of guys who like to fly together?

No disrespect intended here, you strafed the church too..

"Judge not lest you be judged by the same measure.

My conscience is pretty clear as far as flying and shooting targets

in reality I wouldnt kick a dog, much less kill PEOPLE hanging in their chutes

But if I strafe your chute its cause you needed it
and I think you need it anytime you pull the ripcord.

Its not really hatred I am shooting at you its really just a test of the emergency broadcast system. Why just the other day, I wounded a resupply goon about 4k over his base, then I stafed his supply floaty while he watched from his chute and then I put his chute to bed with the fishes It wasnt for real tho  :D  

Ride it out like a hero
u wont really die

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« Reply #104 on: September 27, 2002, 09:35:36 PM »
If you want to bail out but dont want to get killed in the process, try a HALO jump.

I'll still only shoot dweebs in their chutes who can only fly easy planes like spits, n1k's and 262's.