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Offline Vulcan

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« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2002, 05:39:21 PM »
The Pizza is not much fun. And it only works what - 10% of the playing time - during peak weekend hours?

The rest of the time its milkrun hell. And I do participate to simply speed up the resetting of this map.

You can logon to pizza, and spend several hours capturing bases, sometimes unopposed, sometimes during peak hours even.

Things that don't work for me:
 - 12k bases are complete BS
 - map starts of with 6 fronts for each country
 - CVs have no room to move, easily torpedoed because they're stuck 'in a moat', you can't sneak a CV round for a sneak attack
 - spawn points system setup in a way which only the AKs understand (once you start figuring it out then you can start rolling a country easily)
 - You can spend a lot of time doing nothing but grabbing bases with GVs (the M3 runs on V bases are ridiculously easy)
 - HQs are easily reached and flattened once you take a corner of someones slice
 - CVs are ineffective, as they are easily spotted, and there are very little low level bases for them to attack

Pizza is a combination of a bad attempt to force strategy, to many fronts when numbers are below 300, bases at ridiculous altitudes, and they cripple one of AHs great features: naval wars.

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« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2002, 08:22:40 AM »
curly... no map puts 200 planes, much less 500, within view of each other.   Thje pizza map is mostly 2-6.   two to six is pretty boring all the time.   the smaller maps, even when a cv is close and a field is hotly contested never have more than about 30 or so planes in sight... far from 200-500.

Take the pizza map and carve off the bottom third and use that bottom for early war only planes.    Put a 50k mountain range in between the early and late war areas...   In the early war area, double the field density.
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« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2002, 02:19:52 PM »
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Take the pizza map and carve off the bottom third and use that bottom for early war only planes.    Put a 50k mountain range in between the early and late war areas...   In the early war area, double the field density.
lazs


Hey lazs

Lazs, that was one of my early suggestions when we were thinking about AKDesert - Take the big island (like in Ndisles) and put a 20k mountrain range around it.  It took HTC about a nanosecond to shoot that idea down. :D

Ndisles size maps, given the current numbers, promote large, bandwidth numbing furballs.

I hear the non-US guys say "well, when we're logged in, there's only 50 guys."  Tell me guys, when you're building a dam, how high do you build it?  Do you build it so that it overflows everyday?

The majority of the customer base is in the arena from 5:00 pm to midnight (CST +/- a hour.)   It makes good business sense to me to make sure this segment of the player base is happy.  It makes good business sense not to piss on any segment of your population, including those who fly at less popular times.

I'll bet HTC figures something out that will maximize player satisfaction and minimize player complaints.  It will be fun to watch it happen.

curly

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« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2002, 02:47:39 PM »
curly..  when I talked to HT about it he didn't seem so adverse to the idea once I explained how it could work.  Anyhow... there are variables... things change all the time and one thing effects another... what might not have worked 6 months ago... would work now.   Older ideas are worth rehashing.
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« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2002, 03:36:33 PM »
lazs, a question for you.   Do you consider the N1K2 a late war monster too?  It's almost always present in the furball.
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« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2002, 04:04:58 PM »
Actually Curly when I log on its usually 160-300. And still with these numbers the same crap applies.

And it still doesn't address the non-player-number issues I've posted above.

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I hear the non-US guys say "well, when we're logged in, there's only 50 guys."  Tell me guys, when you're building a dam, how high do you build it?  Do you build it so that it overflows everyday?

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« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2002, 04:19:05 PM »
Small maps are way too little, unless you are a bishop.  There were over 120 bishops alone at 5:00 EST your choices were get murdered or log off.  It's getting easier to say log off.
« Last Edit: October 29, 2002, 04:21:15 PM by Turbot »

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« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2002, 05:02:49 PM »
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Originally posted by Vulcan

Things that don't work for me:
 - 12k bases are complete BS
 - map starts of with 6 fronts for each country
 - CVs have no room to move, easily torpedoed because they're stuck 'in a moat', you can't sneak a CV round for a sneak attack
 - spawn points system setup in a way which only the AKs understand (once you start figuring it out then you can start rolling a country easily)
 - You can spend a lot of time doing nothing but grabbing bases with GVs (the M3 runs on V bases are ridiculously easy)
 - HQs are easily reached and flattened once you take a corner of someones slice
 - CVs are ineffective, as they are easily spotted, and there are very little low level bases for them to attack



Good points...

The only thing I can add to this is that the overall color scheme needs to be addressed. There are far too many people complaining that the map colors 'hurt' their eyes. IMO, toning down the contrasting colors would be a quick way to 'fix' the map for these people...me included.

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« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2002, 05:23:01 PM »
Yes the collor issue is very important to me, I sugest HTC do an indepth study, higher a specialist to help design a collor pallet that can effect our mood, personaly I would like to become more aroused while flying, perhaps in this way I can spend more time in game as apposed to surfing porn on long flight's.:::)

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« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2002, 05:33:17 PM »
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Yes the collor issue is very important to me,  



Maybe if the color scheme gave you headaches too you'd be a bit more sympathetic to those that have this problem.

It's real, more than just a few players have this problem with AKDesert.

The color scheme is too busy and the color combinations are too contrasty. Now, if you have 19 year old eyes it MAY not be a problem with you, but if you're like me and getting close to 60, your eyes tend to tire more easily...that fatigue is often accompanied by headaches...


That explain it a bit better for ya?
« Last Edit: October 29, 2002, 06:23:38 PM by MrLars »

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« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2002, 06:11:25 PM »
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I'll bet HTC figures something out that will maximize player satisfaction and minimize player complaints.  It will be fun to watch it happen.

curly


Yep that comes with the HTC road trip we are on , it's been a mostly great ride so far , looking forward all I can see is more of the same .
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« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2002, 06:40:23 PM »
How about this? Green for down, blue for up, and 5k starts and cannon for everyone!

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« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2002, 07:09:34 PM »
AKDesert was design by the Versace Camou Department.

Do you know how much lovin AKSw and AKNimitz had to put out to get it done for free!?!?!

Next time you're flying over the the pizza, and the colours start giving you headaches, just think "This is nothing compared to the discomfort from the 4 inch buttplug AKSw AKNimitz now have to wear".


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Yes the collor issue is very important to me, I sugest HTC do an indepth study, higher a specialist to help design a collor pallet that can effect our mood, personaly I would like to become more aroused while flying, perhaps in this way I can spend more time in game as apposed to surfing porn on long flight's.:::)

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« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2002, 07:35:35 PM »
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Next time you're flying over the the pizza, and the colours start giving you headaches, just think "This is nothing compared to the discomfort from the 4 inch buttplug AKSw AKNimitz now have to wear".


 


ROFLMAO

Now, make that image in my head go away :D

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« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2002, 10:57:45 PM »
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Next time you're flying over the the pizza, and the colours start giving you headaches, just think "This is nothing compared to the discomfort from the 4 inch buttplug AKSw AKNimitz now have to wear".


It's nothing with a lil' KY... or so Nimitz tells me....
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