Author Topic: Gun owners and non-gun owners... (Read 1673 times)

john9001 · « **Reply #30 on:** October 30, 2002, 02:47:37 PM »

what xBAT said
the euro govts evolved from midieval monarchys and the people want to be ruled and expect to be ruled.

america is made up of people who many times gave up every thing they had to move to america because they wanted to rule themselves.

americans created their govt and their country , there is non like it in the rest of the world.

44MAG

Jester · « **Reply #31 on:** October 30, 2002, 03:01:42 PM »

They work for defense.

I live in the country and had problems with stealing off my property. Caught several late at night trying to break in my pick-up. A few shots over their heads with the old AK-47 had the desired results. One broke his arm trying to get away when he ran into the shead. LOL!

Since then haven't had a bit of trouble.

I own around 15 guns and they have been part of my family's life for years. Hunting is big in our area and we were tought about guns before we learned to drive. (We were also taught you didn't shoot anything unless you were going to eat it.) I can remember taking my gun to school and storing it in the Priciples office so we could go hunting after school. (TRY THAT NOW!) I own a considerable armory but in all that I have never went on a spree and shot up any place and I take damn offense to anyone trying to lump me in with those types just cause I happen to own and like to shoot guns.

Card carring member of the NRA and proud of it!

to Batdog - they ain't getting mine either.
to Toad also - if they brought back the good old public hanging on the Court House square it would put a stop to alot of those thinking picking up a gun would make them a bigshot or gansta knowing the hangman was waitng on them.

Curval · « **Reply #32 on:** October 30, 2002, 03:02:09 PM »

Hey...I like America...but frankly after reading all of these guns posts I thank GOD I wasn't born there. You guys really need guns to feel safe? That just plain SUCKS.

I've read how one guy keeps a loaded Colt 45 next to his bed...another has a shot-gun with lazer sights...many of you guys seems to have loaded guns in your houses.

...and you call yourselves free.

PAH!

The worst thing I have to worry about is whether my kids will wake me up at night.

easymo · « **Reply #33 on:** October 30, 2002, 03:13:11 PM »

Anti- gun posts always make me think of the nature films, on TV. A big cat comes out of the underbrush. He runs down a gazelle. Rips out its throat. As he begins to feed, the rest of the heard goes back to milling around, and grazing. As if to say "That was no big deal. Nothing happened to ME"

Dune · « **Reply #34 on:** October 30, 2002, 03:13:46 PM »

Curval, it's not a matter of "needing" a gun. I see its usefullness in protecting my family and I, but that's not my main reason for owning one.

I own them because I hunt. I'm going deer hunting with my father and brother-in-law this Friday.

I own them because their fun to shoot. Why else own 20 of them, including full autos?

I own them for protection, I am a prosecutor in a state where one was almost gunned down last year.

I also own them for home defense.

But, while two of the four reasons are defense/protection reasons, I'd own them for the other two alone.

I grew up in a house where my dad collected military firearms. He owned over 100; from (at one time or another) a .50 cal HBM2, a Vickers, Owen, Bren, 1917, 1919, Lewis, BAR, M-60, MG 42, Thompson, Sten, Sterling, Mac-10, and assorted M-16's and AK 47's. One friend owned a British 25lb'er cannon and another owns a 37 PAK cannon. Why? Becuase they are damned fun to shoot. And thank God I live in a country where I can pursue this hobby.

StSanta · « **Reply #35 on:** October 30, 2002, 03:33:47 PM »

what xBAT said
the euro govts evolved from midieval monarchys and the people want to be ruled and expect to be ruled.

america is made up of people who many times gave up every thing they had to move to america because they wanted to rule themselves.

Quite funny, but also quite untrue :=)

WE got rid of those monarchies. Then those of us not smart and fit enough to make it emigrated to the US, where even a sucker can make a living.

John, PFTTTFH to you

Pongo · « **Reply #36 on:** October 30, 2002, 03:42:48 PM »

As the drunk biker type was kicking at my door hollering. I got dressed and put my hikeing boots on. right after a kick I opened the door and gave him the size 12 right in the chest. He stumbled backwards into a fence and I cought him in the face with the same boot as he fell forwards off the fence. I gave him one more in the gut and let him run for it.
I callled the mounties and they found him with a dog some time later. Really got a good lesson on what it means to live in the low rent district.
I didnt consider getting out my gun. It never even crossed my mind that he might have had one. If he had had a gun he would have shot the door not kicked it I guess.

Dont know if this is a good example either way. I moved because of things like that. But I would not have stayed based on owning a gun.

mauser · « **Reply #37 on:** October 30, 2002, 04:01:08 PM »

If there really isn't a need for something to defend yourself with over there, then you are indeed lucky. But that is not the hand that we were all dealt. People with an intent to do harm do not follow rules or laws, that is their nature. Simply giving them what they want or just giving in has been proven to be an unreliable method of survival. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't (seems like it works less and less as time goes on). Not everyone is a gambler.

Do some people honestly think that the US is a big urban/suburban/western/whatever battlefield where guns are everywhere and people itch to shoot each other for the fun of it? I know not every European thinks this way because the gun forums I frequent (http://www.thefiringline.com, http://www.hkpro.com) have users from Germany, Norway, Italy... and you should see what the folks in Norway can get compared to what we in the US can get. Over there, I get the impression that silencers are more of a courtesy to your neighbors than a tool of assassination.

Back to the topic (sorta), the older folks here in Hawaii like to reminisce of days past when you could leave everything unlocked, neighbors knew each other well, etc. Seems to me that's how things were in a lot of places before. Guns were around back then too, so it seems that their presence in the community didn't have a big effect on why society has changed. What else could it be?

Five years ago, someone broke into my car in the wee hours of the morning. He was caught red-handed by our condo's solitary (& unarmed) security guard. Supposedly the security guard told the perp to stay there so he could get his supervisor. You can guess what the perp did (he made off with my amplifier, mini-mag light, and air pressure gauge). My family and I were thinking the guard was too affraid to try and apprehend a real thief (the guard was over six feet tall, very intimidating looking, and the perp is about three to five inches shorter and not "built" at all). I don't think they even gave him a night stick or baton, all I saw was a radio (which he probably left back at his desk that night). If you don't give them something to fear, then they'll make off with anything they can.

mauser

p.s. Something I heard from a friend on theft; "If it ain't tied, screwed, glued, or bolted down, it's mine."

Toad · « **Reply #38 on:** October 30, 2002, 04:04:59 PM »

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Originally posted by StSanta
Then those of us not smart and fit enough to make it emigrated to the US, where even a sucker can make a living.

Graduating soon, thinking about emigrating

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StSanta:So I'm thinking about seeking a job in the US.[/b]

Thrawn · « **Reply #39 on:** October 30, 2002, 04:26:31 PM »

Anyone here seen "Bowling for Columbine" yet?

Nash · « **Reply #40 on:** October 30, 2002, 04:33:02 PM »

Uhm... on this BBS Thrawn? A Mike Moore film? I don't like the odds.

Thrawn · « **Reply #41 on:** October 30, 2002, 04:37:00 PM »

Yeah, but based on this thread I was thinking maybe you had seen it.

My wife saw it yesterday and said she thought it was very good. I plan on seeing it either tomorrow or Friday.

easymo · « **Reply #42 on:** October 30, 2002, 04:40:09 PM »

Perfection in anything is virtually impossible. With the countless variables influencing a society. The idea of creating a perfect one, is laughable.

History has shown that the more repressive a government is. The lower the crime rate. For example, communist Russia was a far more crime free society, than its current incarnation. Other then the lefties here, how many Americans would be willing to make that trade?

The price of a free society, is a degree of insecurity. Gun owners accept this, and attempt to take responsibility for there own security.

Nash · « **Reply #43 on:** October 30, 2002, 04:48:46 PM »

Oh, nah. I haven't seen it. Prolly on video though. He can be pretty biased and unfair in general, and as long as you ignore that...well, I heard the movie is funny. But I'm guessing that yer average gun advocate wouldn't make it through the whole thing.

lazs2 · « **Reply #44 on:** October 30, 2002, 05:06:22 PM »

curval... I enjoy plinking with handguns. I can do it any day I like and have a nice selection of firearms to do it with. You claim you go to the range whenever ... what? whenever you get away from a represive government? Wouldn't it be better to simply be able to shoot anytiime you wanted? For what purpose exactly are you giving up your freedom of choice? Are the people of bermuda so bloodthirsty and lclumsy that the government has to take their guns away for their own good?
lazs