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« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2002, 05:11:42 PM »
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Uhm... on this BBS Thrawn? A Mike Moore film?  I don't like the odds. :)


Hell... I can put you on the right or left if you've heard of the film at this point. :D
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« Reply #46 on: October 30, 2002, 05:20:51 PM »
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what xBAT said
the euro govts evolved from midieval monarchys and the people want to be ruled and expect to be ruled.

america is made up of people who many times gave up every thing they had to move to america because they wanted to rule themselves.


Quite funny, but also quite untrue :=)

WE got rid of those monarchies. Then those of us not smart and fit enough to make it emigrated to the US, where even a sucker can make a living.

John, PFTTTFH to you :D



Baaa..thats not what I quite ment Stsanta. More like in the timeline of our revolution....  but thank you for the support John. I think I should of made myself clearer but as many can tell my literary expertise at times is lacking in ablity to convey my message.

I once bashed Denmark about WW2 and Mr Santa made some good points that made me stfu and think. I do not EVER wish to bash other peoples nations... why? Because I dont live there and beyond WW2 I know little of their history.

Anyway....at least we've kept this civil. all..gonna go fly.

StSanta...WHY arent you FLYING!!!

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Of course, I only see what he posts here and what he does in the MA.  I know virtually nothing about the man.  I think its important for people to realize that we don't really know squat about each other.... definately not enough to use words like "hate".

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« Reply #47 on: October 30, 2002, 05:21:41 PM »
well... as the man said... moore can be biased and unfair... basicly he is a leftist comedian who doesn't mind total fabrication and out of context half truths in the least.    He can be funny but you will never get anything useful or factual out of his films unless it was mistake on his part and he is too smart to make many  mistakes.    His films are pure propoganda with such a thin veneer of journalism on them that only the dullest lefty is ever fooled.    Still... he can get a laugh.. mostly by making people look foolish.
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« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2002, 05:24:36 PM »
We had somebody steal something from our (open) garage once.  That's it.

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« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2002, 05:26:23 PM »
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curval... I enjoy plinking with handguns.   I can do it any day I like and have a nice selection of firearms to do it with.   You claim you go to the range whenever ... what?  whenever you get away from a represive government?   Wouldn't it be better to simply be able to shoot anytiime you wanted?   For what purpose exactly are you giving up your freedom of choice?   Are the people of bermuda so bloodthirsty and lclumsy that the government has to take their guns away for their own good?  
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lazs...I shoot at ranges when I travel to the US...that much is true (when in Rome..and all).  If I had the desire to make this a serious hobby I am fully entitled to become a member of the rifle club...go up to the range and "plink" away.  I have too much on the go right now to be bothered with it though.

The only thing I can't do is walk into a store and purchase a deadly weapon at will...or keep one at home.  All weapons must stay at the club.

If it means that I don't have to worry about making sure my gun is loaded before I go to bed, or that my kids may have a horrible accident, I can live with this repressive style of government.
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« Reply #50 on: October 30, 2002, 05:31:17 PM »
I enjoy seeing Mike Moore, from time, to time.  He is fat, and rather dim witted.  The perfect image for an American leftie.

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« Reply #51 on: October 30, 2002, 05:37:46 PM »
curval... so you are saying that you can't be trusted to have a gun in your house because you are so careless and stupid that your children will be able to have an "accident'" with one?    Are you saying that you simply drive over to the gun club and start banging away with .... with what?    Seems you would have trouble getting guns and that then you would have a hard time getting to them and that  all the red tape and expense would take the fun right out of it plus.... someone else would be in charge of your possesions.    I don't have to go to a "club" to shoot and I can shoot any gun I own or borrow a friends.    None of my kids have had "accidents" nor do I know of any that were killed accidentaly.  I fail to see the problem... I think you are making it up....
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« Reply #52 on: October 30, 2002, 06:09:17 PM »
Ive had half a dozen episodes where Ive grabbed my pistol to investigate suspicious sounds outside my home -always at night.

Fortunately, its never been anything serious...just boys tapping on my daughters window at UNGODLY hours of the night (that crap stopped real fast) or animals getting into the trash.

But be forwarned, if your going to enter my home without permission, or try and rob my cars out front, Im going to point a loaded firearm at your worthless bellybutton and ask you if your time has finally come.

I refuse to become a victim of criminal intent and will use my capacity to defend myself, my family and my property with viscious certainty.

Nuff said :)
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« Reply #53 on: October 30, 2002, 06:32:04 PM »
Oh, you want to know why guns are illegal in Bermuda?  My apologies, we are talking about a small and insignificant island here afterall so I shouldn't expect you to know any of the history....it is because even here there are nutcases!

In 1971 or 1972 (can't remmber exactly) the Governor was shot and killed.  A body guard and even a dog died in the same attack.  After that...no guns.

My Dad owned two rifles that he won in marksmanship at school in Canada.  He kept them in his closet and he, like everyone else, either had to join the rifle club and keep them there, or turn them in.    

Since that event, the subsequent arrest and hanging of the perpetrator, and the riots that followed that execution, Bermuda has had very little in the way of gun related crime. This is due to a strict "no gun" policy in law, unless in a gun club/range environment.

This is a small island though...not much else to shoot at except people really.  The US is a different story.  Hunting is something I can't do, but I respect the need/or desire to do so for example.  What I think is getting out of hand is how far people take the whole right to arms in the US given all of the recent events, and the ease at which guns are availiable practically without restriction.
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« Reply #54 on: October 30, 2002, 06:32:21 PM »
Ooooh sounds all serious and stuff there Yeager.... but thank God the most it's ever come down to is chasing away yer daughter's boyfriends with loaded guns. LoL! Just takin' the piss... :)

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« Reply #55 on: October 30, 2002, 07:59:02 PM »
The string tied to the door handle and the other end ready to pull the trigger on the 12 gauge shotgun pointed at the door.  We need more pictures of the sucka, or what's left, who forced the door open in the middle of the night. ;)  

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« Reply #56 on: October 30, 2002, 09:13:50 PM »
There have been numerous incidents in my life where either I or a close relative have needed a gun for self defense.  I related several in this thread, http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=640060#post640060
and wont repeat them here, but there have been others.  

One of our closest neighbors came home, smelled something funny, and became suspicious that there might be somebody in her house.  She got her pistol and went to the bedroom.  Whoever this was must have really smelled bad, because she became certain that he was in the closet from the smell.  She yelled at him to come out, and fired a warning shot above the door.  He bolted for the door and threw a hammer at here on the way out, cutting her head, but he kept on running.  If she had not been armed who knows what might have happened.  Again, calling the police isnt a good option when you live as far from town as we did.

As a boy, I often roamed the woods alone, it gave my parents better peace of mind I am sure, knowing that I was armed.  Louisiana isnt a particularly dangerous place as far as wild animals are concerned, however there are exceptions.  

Most people think of alligators, but they are mostly lazy critters, and there are only rare instances of people getting attacked by them, but I can tell you that it gives much comfort to be carrying a powerful weapon when you walk past a 12 foot long gator sunning himself on the bank of some waterhole.  

We did have a lot of poisonous snakes too, and one of my best friends in college, and my grandmother both, have been bitten by poisonous snakes.  I carried a gun around when hiking our land largely as protection against snakes, although a large stick works just as well for that purpose.  

One of the most dangerous animals you can run into, ironically is wild dogs.  There are numerous cases every year of people getting attacked, and even killed, by wild dogs.  I have stumbled onto wild dogs in the woods before and have always been glad of being armed.  These animals are smart, and if there are several of them, can be quite dangerous.  Their fear of man is not high often times, and hunger can make them dangerous.  

Even white-tailed deer can be dangerous, my junior year in college, a man was attacked and almost killed by a white-tailed buck near Minden, LA.  

I frequently rode a horse in my outdoor ramblings, and after a horse fell on me one day, trapping my boot in the stirrup, then tried to drag me, I never rode unarmed again.  One of the main reasons the cowboys of the old West carried pistols was to be able to shoot their mount, if their horse fell, and trapped their foot in the stirrup and started dragging them.  That would be a horrible way to die.    
 
Besides all the useful purposes of a gun in self defense from man and beast, hunting is an excellent way to provide for yourself.  I didnt buy any meat all my senior year in college, due to my having a full freezer full of deer meat.  When I was very young, my grandparents were about 90% self sufficient I would say.  They had 3 gardens, beef and dairy cattle, chickens, and fruit trees.  Thus there was never any need to buy eggs, milk, vegetables, some fruits, or meat.  Deer and Squirrel meat was a common supplement to all this.  

And for those people that do not need or desire to harvest their own meat, and for those that feel that they are safe and secure, in low crime areas, with policemen within easy call, target practice and shooting sports are legitimate and fun activities.  

The bottom line is, people should have the right to choose if they wish to own guns or not.  Just because you are afraid of guns, or do not like them for some reason, doesnt mean you should be able to dictate to others what they enjoy collecting or using for fun.  And the right to self-defense is one of the most basic and fundamental of all human rights.  It is an integral part of the rights to LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  

I am one of those that sleeps with a loaded handgun under my pillow, and have for years now.  It had never really occured to me that there might be people that would consider this strange until I read some of the things I see people posting in here.  I think what is really important to realize is that if you think that is strange, you probably come from a completely different background and way of thinking than I and many other people do.  That is why national laws aimed at gun control are a bad idea in my opinion.  Gun control laws should be set at the local level.  That way people in New York, can ban guns totally if they should desire to do so, and the people of the backwoods of northern Louisiana can continue living normally with our guns.  
We dont need some idiot from D.C. trying to put some one-size-fits-all solution on the whole country, in some kneejerk, feel-good reaction to some nutcase's actions somewhere.

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« Reply #57 on: October 30, 2002, 09:24:35 PM »
Another situation I was once in that may seem a little more familiar to those of you that didnt grow up in rural areas:  I was in New Orleans with my cousin one night, and he wanted to go take some pictures of Bourban Street.  I didnt feel like fighting the crowds down there, so I let him out to take the pictures, and I went to fill the car up with gas.  

The gas station where I went to fill up, had no public bathroom and I was feeling the need to go, so I started searching for another gas station.  I wandered into a very rough area of New Orleans, not knowing my way around very well, and finally found a gas station that looked like a fortress.  It had bars on the windows, bulletproof glass surrounding the cashiers and a security guard on duty.  

Just as I pulled up, a kid comes running out, carrying a 12 pack of beer, and the security guard right behind him.  The guard must have weighed about 300 pounds, and the kid was easily outrunning him.  The guard saw me sitting there, and asked for a ride.  I let him in and we followed the kid down the street from a distance.  He slowed to a walk once he thought he was safe from pursuit, and we just hung back while the guard called the NOPD.  

The kid led us into a REALLY REALLY BAD area of New Orleans.  It was one of the worst areas I have ever seen, and I have seen some bad ones.  We stopped at a 4 way stop sign, and the hair on the back of my neck started salamanderling.  There were about a half dozen guys who looked fresh out of some gangster movie standing on the corner giving us the evil eye.  They moved out like they were going to block the street, but then let us pass.  The security guard was unarmed (how useless is an unarmed security guard) but fortunately my cousin is a police officer and had left a few handguns in the car, not to mention I had my own with me as well.  

I was driving with my right hand, left hand on my 9mm, thinking how did I let myself get into this situation.  I think what saved us from assault, was the fact that they may have thought we were police.  I was wearing a blue jacket with the USAF emblem on it, which looked like a police jacket with badge on casual inspection, and the security guard was in a police-looking uniform.  Once past the gangbangers, we lost no time in clearing the area back to the convenience store.  

Police didnt arrive for about 3 more minutes, and when they did they were quite unconcerned over the theft of a case of beer, in a city that often has a murder a day.  I consider that situation the closest I have been to an actual firefight, and the feel of the wooden grips of my Taurus PT-92 was the warmest sensation you can possibly imagine in that situation.  

In retrospect, going down into that area wasnt the smartest thing to do, but I didnt realize how bad it was until it was too late, and we were in the heart of the bad area.  If things had gone sour, my first priority would have been exiting the area at all costs, not trying to have some kind of crazy John Wayne shootout, like so many of the gun control advocates seem to think we are all looking for.  I would have used the car as a weapon, and used all possibles avenues of escape before resorting to gunfire.  

However, we were quite effectively trapped into this area, and if they had chosen to try to prevent our departure with violence, it is quite conceivable that we would have had to shoot our way out.  The security guard, who was from this area, was extremely nervous, which is another indication of how bad the situation really was, even though it may not sound that bad just from reading it.  You would have had to have been there and seen that these were no kidding bona fide bad guys, to understand the true seriousness of it.  

Thankfully this incident ended like all others I have been involved in, peacefully.  One of these days, however, perhaps I will not be so fortunate, and if that day ever comes,  I will be ready for it, and being an armed citizen, may just be able to ruin the whole day for some crook.

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« Reply #58 on: October 30, 2002, 09:38:49 PM »
My last post with gun stories for now, I swear...........  just wanted to make sure that people understand that there are cases out there of self-defense, even though the media seems not to report on them all that much.  In fact we just had a case here in Pensacola where a man shot an armed intruder in his house, wounding him badly.  

I could tell dozens of stories like the ones I have told in this thread and the other one, but I will stop with two final stories, about 2 similar situations, one where the person was unarmed and one where the person was armed.  I know the people that are in both of these stories well.  

The first person lived in Monroe, LA and answered a knock on his door late one night.  He went to the door, but nobody was there.  Just then he heard a knock on his back door.  Once again, nobody was at the door when he went to it.  Finally, he heard a knock at the front door again.  He opened the door to see a man standing there with a sawed off shotgun.  The man fired the shotgun at him at point blank range, then fled.  The only thing that saved this man's life was the screen door which had a metal crossbar about halfway up that took most of the shot.  Nonetheless, he was filled with shot, and spent quite some time in the hospital from this incident.  Police concluded that it must have been a drug hit that went to the wrong address.

The second person was a Louisiana State Trooper, and opened the door to go to work one day to see a person standing nearby with a shotgun pointed at him.  Showing incredible presence of mind and speed, he drew his service pistol and fired on the man, killing him.  I dont remember why the man targeted him, if it was simply because he was a police officer, or if he wanted revenge on him in particular from some earlier arrest or something perhaps, but being armed saved his life that day.  

I know 3 people personally, just off the top of my head who have killed in self defense.  Besides these 3, like I said, I could relate dozens of stories where people used guns in self defense scenarios that did not end in bloodshed.  I believe the ones given so far should suffice, and y'all are probably tired or reading my ramblings by now anyway, so I will post no more anecdotes on this subject for now.

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« Reply #59 on: October 30, 2002, 09:41:04 PM »
Heh wow... That nawleans story brought back memories... Yeah it's a messed up place as well as fun.

We just finished playing a show and ended up at some after hours party in a bar. Our bass player get's a little too drunk and a little too tired decides to go back to this humongous Snap-On Tools truck we used for touring in. We built bunks in the back, and he was crashed out there. Then he wakes up... the truck is moving'. "Drew" he says, "stop man you're too drunk to drive". It's a loud vehicle to drive in. No response.

He wanders up to the front and there's this black guy he doesn't recognize drivin' it. He freaks out and says something stupid like "Hey!" The driver turns around, sees John, bolts over to the side door where the passenger seat is and jumps out. On the freeway. John regained control of the truck, drove it  back to the party, got us out to explain it and then broke down into tears.

He quit the band and was on a plane back to Jersey the very next day. Totally rattled him. I don't blame him. If he had woken up after the truck had been pulled into the chop shop (or whatever) he'd prolly be dead.