How many here believe in evolution?

[davidpt40]

I took a class in biological anthropology this semester and thoroughly enjoyed it.  The basis of the class was the origin of humans.  The evidence supporting human evolution from apes is astounding.  About 1 million years ago, the ancestor of modern human (australopithicines) truely was a fur-covered bi-pedal (upright walking) 4 foot tall ape creature.  About 120,000 years ago, our closest ancestor, arachaic homo sapian came on the scene.  The neanderthal was an archaic homo sapian.  Then around 30,000 years ago, our good friend modern homo sapian came about and things have been getting better ever since.

[Thrawn]

What do you mean?  Only a complete imbecile wouldn't accept evolution as the most viable theory to explain were humans come from.


There that should be a good start.  

[Leslie]

Did everything evolve from cells in the primordial soup?  I've heard the arguments for animal evolution.  My question is, how did trees evolve from the same soup?

I'm sure the question is easy to answer.  Only I've not heard much about that subject.  Any biology professors out there?  Please excuse me, I'm just trying to find out about the division process in evolution between plant and animal life, and why one went one direction from the other if the whole process was random.

How can a tree evolve from the same common source as a bird, for example?



Les

[CyranoAH]

What Thrawn said.

[weazel]

An imaginary being said:

LET THERE BE LIGHT!

And we evolved from there.  

[SirLoin]

I wouldn't say imbecile but ...

What Thrawn said.

[NUKE]

Thrawn said:

What do you mean? Only a complete imbecile wouldn't accept evolution as the most viable theory to explain were humans come from.

Nice..... you just called all Christians imbeciles.

[Wotan]

Creation

In the beginning there was the void. And the void was called Ginnungagap. Along with the void existed Niflheim the land of fog and ice in the north and Muspelheim the land of fire in the south.

In Niflheim there was a spring called Hvergelmir from which the Elivagar (eleven rivers - Svol, Gunnthra, Fiorm, Fimbulthul, Slidr, Hrid, Sylg, Ylg, Vid, Leiptr, and Gioll) flowed. The Elivargar froze layer upon layer until it filled in the northerly portion of the gap. Concurrently the southern portion was being filled by sparks and molten material from Muspelheim.

The mix of fire and ice caused part of the Elivagar to melt forming the figures Ymir the primeval giant and the cow Audhumla. The cow's milk was Ymir's food. While Ymir slept his under arm sweat begat two frost giants, one male one female, while his two legs begat another male.

While Ymir was busy procreating Audhumla was busy eating. Her nourishment came from licking the salty ice. Her incessant licking formed the god Buri. He had a son named Bor who was the father of Odin, Vili, and Ve.

For some reason the sons of Bor decided to kill poor Ymir. His blood caused a flood which killed all of the frost giants except for two, Bergelmir and his wife, who escaped the deluge in their boat.

Odin, Vili, and Ve put Ymir's corpse into the middle of ginnungagap and created the earth and sky from it.

They used Ymir's body as a ground for the new world. His blood became the sea (Where all the Rimtusarnas but  Bergelmir and his wife drowned). His skull became the sky. The bones in his skeleton became mountains, his brain the clouds and his tissues were ground in the great mill 'Grottekvarnen', around whose main axis the universe turned, to become the dirt. The mill was driven by the giantesses Fenja and Menja. Ymirs eyebrows became a wall against the inhabitable surroundings. This new world was called Midgård.

They also created the stars, sun, and moon from sparks coming out of Muspelheim.

 Once when Odin and his brothers where out taking a walk on the shore of the sea in Midgård, they happened upon two logs lying on the beach and created the first two humans Ash (Ask)  and Elm (Embla) from them.  They set them free from the earth and gave them blood, power of motion, intelligence, will, fantasy and spirit. Ash and Elm were formed after their own appearence. From this couple the whole of humanity evolved. The fate Urd gives every human a being called Fylgia at birth . This being is to follow every human throughout his/her life.

[eskimo2]

I've taken a few anthropology classes too, and I believe!

BTW, check out the thread' "E vs. C" thread. I think Midnight Target started it.  I believe its the giggest O' Club thread ever.

eskimo

[davidpt40]

Plants split off from animals a looooong time ago.  However, even plants and animals share a common ancestor.  Scientists are able to determine this because (1) every living thing on earth uses the same DNA/RNA coding system (2) every living thing uses glycolysis.  

Did everything evolve from cells in the primordial soup?

Pretty much.  Some RNA was 'electrified' in the early days of the Earth and this was the first living creature.

[Kisters]

How can a tree evolve from the same common source as a bird, for example?
[/B]

Exacly like you say, evolving, ancient cell´s information (stored in either RNA or DNA) started mutating, and enviromental preassure started selecting the most favorable mutations, a small change in genetic information made a tiny diferent membrane protein that allowed the cell to be more resistant to toxic agents, or more effective when using energy, etc etc etc; give that enough time and the branching options will give you anything from little birds to trees to AH HO whiners.

[Blank]

Yep evolusionist here but..

which therory do you go with for humans:

1: savanna ape i.e man came down from trees and learnt to stand up so he could see better hold tools etc

2: Aquatic ape theory : i.e early man returns to water and became semi aquatic, upright posture came from swimming and needing  the face out the water to breath (were a chimp would have difficulty keeping its face above water) also hair loss.

ever woundered why we love water so much? and all other apes hate water?

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by NUKE
Thrawn said:
 

Nice..... you just called all Christians imbeciles.

Nah.  Not all christians believe creationism is the most viable theory.

[davidpt40]

Aquatic Ape theory is not widely accepted.  I don't know a whole bunch about it, but here goes:

Evidence FOR aquatic apes-
Humans are only animals that can hold their breath (good for diving underwater).

Humans have subcutaneous fat that is the best insulation in water.

Evidence for savanna ape :
Humans can hold their breath because they communicate verbally (you cant talk and breathe at the same time).

Humans have subcuataneous fat because it provides a tremendous source of energy for locomotion.  Highly trained athlethic modern humans burn a 50/50 ratio fat-carbo ratio while running, and a even higher fat to carbo ratio while walking.

Just from what I know, I believe whole-heartedly in the savanna ape theory.

[Kisters]

Originally posted by Blank
Yep evolusionist here but..

which therory do you go with for humans:

1: savanna ape i.e man came down from trees and learnt to stand up so he could see better hold tools etc

2: Aquatic ape theory : i.e early man returns to water and became semi aquatic, upright posture came from swimming and needing  the face out the water to breath (were a chimp would have difficulty keeping its face above water) also hair loss.

ever woundered why we love water so much? and all other apes hate water?

Aquatic ape all the way, or at least a very important aquatic era, otherwise how do you explain human babies being the only non-aquatic mammals who can swim, hold their breath and float (due to special fat distribution), nature doesnt provide special features for no reason.