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Offline Dowding (Work)

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« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2002, 10:12:45 AM »
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Things were swirling and colliding and everything was expanding at a rapid pace, but it did so in complete and utter darkness.


This is untrue. The Big Bang was the starting point - there was no expansion followed by the Big Bang. It was the Big Bang followed by expansion.

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Everything that we know to exsist comes from cosmic dust.


Not quite. All matter originates from the nuclear processes occuring in stars.

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Then one day, LIGHT! This is science. This also has a striking resemblence to the old testament's description of the creation.


So does the sunrise, but we seemed to have explained that quite well, have we not?

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Then came us. According to science we decended from monkeys, but as of right now, there is no link.


I think it would be more accurate to say that, as of now, the link has remains undiscovered. It doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Science gets closer every day.

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According to my belief, God wants you (and everyone) to know him.


So he has an acute case of Egotistical Deity Syndrome? ;)

If he's an attention seeker, then by casually allowing atrocity after atrocity, then he's got my attention. If, for example, he starts striking down war criminals instead of letting them live comfortable lives in Argentina, I'll be in a church tomorrow. You might say they will be judged when they die, but what kind of deterrence of that? It would be much better to flay them alive in one quick flick of his mighty wrist as a warning to bastards every where, than let them defy him.

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I bet the one moment you set aside what you're doing and make an effort to investigate further, you'll find something just under the surface.


I've read the Bible. I've read parts of the Qu'ran and Bhagavad Gita. The only things that strike me is how similar they are, and also how hypocritical the followers of those words truly are. Some are hypocritical in small ways. Others, like Bin Laden, the Crusaders, even Hitler are hypocritical to a point where they ruin the lives of hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

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Anyway, this is really long winded. All I wanted to say was don't set aside God just because the scientific data doesn't appear to match up.


I set god (Christian, Islamic or whatever) aside on behalf of the poor bastards who's every waking moment is a hell on earth. I simply fail to understand how the crappy things that happen in the world are somehow neccessary.

But hey, I'm just a mortal - and a sheep in a flock, as it were. ;)

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« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2002, 10:21:21 AM »
if religion helps you become a better person...good for you.

just don't get me involved with your religion:D or your stats about religion....or i'll come back and show you how many wars where started cause of religion.

religion or not.....if ye born dipchit..ye die a dipchit

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« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2002, 10:41:31 AM »
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This is untrue. The Big Bang was the starting point - there was no expansion followed by the Big Bang. It was the Big Bang followed by expansion.


I never said there wasn't a Big Bang. After the Big Bang, there was no light. Before the Big Bang, there was nothing.

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Not quite. All matter originates from the nuclear processes occuring in stars.


:rolleyes:

Where do stars come from?

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If he's an attention seeker, then by casually allowing atrocity after atrocity, then he's got my attention. If, for example, he starts striking down war criminals instead of letting them live comfortable lives in Argentina, I'll be in a church tomorrow. You might say they will be judged when they die, but what kind of deterrence of that? It would be much better to flay them alive in one quick flick of his mighty wrist as a warning to bastards every where, than let them defy him.


You live in a fantasy world. You think because there are horrible atrocities there is no God. That's a very naive way of thinking about the world. Childlike almost. No offense meant though!

Bad things happen to good people. It doesn't mean there isn't a God. Like here I am talking about God. Does that mean that God would spare me if someone was holding a knife to my throat? I don't thnk so.

We have free will. No one is going to pat you on the back because you're a good boy unless they want to. No one is going to reform the government, the world, whatever -- unless they want to. God doesn't force anything on anyone.

If you're a dumbshit or sick murderer... it's your fault. You take responsibility for your own actions. If you're lazy, your fault. If you're fat -- lose the weight tubbo. God isn't going to make all the bad people go away. God helps people who help themselves. He inspires.

If you just sit and crying 'Why? why? why?' what good are you?

The reason you and I are like we are is due to the fact we can do whatever we want. God doesn't strike down evildoers. The world is a rough difficult place and totally unfair, but that has no bearing on whether there is a God or not.

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« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2002, 10:58:00 AM »
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Originally posted by EvilDingo


You live in a fantasy world. You think because there are horrible atrocities there is no God. That's a very naive way of thinking about the world. Childlike almost. No offense meant though!

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Naive& child like.....Doh!!! your the one who believes in Fictitious people(GOD)....your the one who lives in that naive & child like world bud.
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God doesn't strike down evildoers.
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no he CREATES them
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The world is a rough difficult place and totally unfair.

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But he CREATED this world...whatta nice guy your GOD.



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« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2002, 11:03:31 AM »
How many of those kids were on ritalin or prozac?

I hated school BECAUSE it was a religious one. I went to public school later and enjoyed it a whole lot more.
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« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2002, 11:10:36 AM »
manipulating science and math for political reasons is really quite abhorrent to a hardcore nerd like myself.  the fact that it was done with government funding proves the disingenuousness of the authors and makes the whole thing twice as disgusting

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« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2002, 11:17:00 AM »
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God doesn't strike down evildoers.
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no he CREATES them


No he doesn't. If you're an evildoer, it's YOU who created you. Why do you blame your (and other's) faults on God? If you suck, it's your damn fault. Take responsibility!

Do you think God creating people with the intention of playing with them like G.I. Joes? Okay, besides the point you don't believe (which I really don't care if you do or not), just follow along here... God created people with free will. If you run over your dearest little cat Mitsy, God didn't do it, you did!

If you blow up a market square and kill 50 people. You did it. Not God.

Maybe if you stopped crying all the time blaming the worlds problems on everyone else, you might see that.

Then again, you probably just wrote that to get a reaction. In that case, I'll let you know, I don't give two toejams on what you believe. I'm not trying to convert you.

Therefore, if you don't believe in any of this, why are you responding to this thread? I just read a cool thread on guns. I don't have a gun and have never shot one before.

So I didn't bother posting.

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The world is a rough difficult place and totally unfair.

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But he CREATED this world...whatta nice guy your GOD.


So what are you? If you're an athiest, you sure are putting up a fuss aren't you?

Back to the point. God created the world. And he created humans. YOU made the world unfair. YOU make wars. Why do you think God would want to control you like a puppet? Is this a difficult thing to understand? Do you expect God to micromanage your life? If he doesn't, does that mean he doesn't care or exist?

SLO, you don't bother me.

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« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2002, 11:27:29 AM »
SLO, you don't bother me.

Beeker


DOH!!! and here i was askin myself how I can bother you....:p

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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2002, 01:13:19 PM »
Who created god.

Would be kinda helpful if he could micromanage some of his priests, specially the catholic faction. Wonder if those choir-boys are 'optimists'.

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Originally posted by EvilDingo

Back to the point. God created the world. And he created humans. YOU made the world unfair. YOU make wars. Why do you think God would want to control you like a puppet? Is this a difficult thing to understand? Do you expect God to micromanage your life? If he doesn't, does that mean he doesn't care or exist?

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« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2002, 01:20:05 PM »
hehe

Another God thread  :)
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« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2002, 02:01:55 PM »
Pessimists are optimists with some experience ;)


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« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2002, 02:05:14 PM »
Optimists are pessimists with prescriptions.  :)

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« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2002, 02:07:11 PM »
Gods loves everyone...except us idiots in the O'Club.

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« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2002, 02:11:32 PM »
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Who created god....


more importanly - who created toilet paper?

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« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2002, 02:40:19 PM »
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Gods loves everyone...except us idiots in the O'Club.


Aye - we ask too many questions.