Author Topic: Affirmative Action (Read 6294 times)

capt. apathy · « **Reply #255 on:** January 21, 2003, 05:21:18 PM »

I didn't do racist things, my kids didn't do racist things. however I've seen alot of racism since I've became an adult. most of it with whites as the victim.

punishing a whole race for the actions of some people (most of them not even alive today) is racism. and thinking it's ok, just because the victim is white is even more racist.

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I know, I know I'll save you the time of posting- It's ok because we are discriminating against whites. you can't be a victim you are a white man. you have to be either a woman or a minority to be a victim.

midnight Target · « **Reply #256 on:** January 21, 2003, 05:25:05 PM »

Didja ever get pulled over simply because you were a white man driving in the wrong neighborhood?

AKIron · « **Reply #257 on:** January 21, 2003, 05:29:12 PM »

SATs are a good indicator of education level. The thing to do is level the playing field by making sure everyone has an equal opportunity for a quality education k-12. After that let it be competitive. Competition inspires excellence.

You can have expensive schools and great teachers but without parental interest and involvement how far will you get?

Lazs, you attribute high scores by Asians to higher intelligence. I attribute it to them working harder at getting educated. In Japan for instance, 6 day school weeks, uniforms, and no nonsense. Of course they are going to score higer.

midnight Target · « **Reply #258 on:** January 21, 2003, 05:45:58 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
SATs are a good indicator of education level.

I'm sory Iron, but no. SAT's are designed to disregard the educational level of the test taker and are suposed to indicate their ability to use cognitave ability. They fail miserably at this because it is entirely possible to "STUDY" for the SAT and improve your score.

(educational level is a poor choice of words, obviously the testees should be high school seniors, however there is no higher level math in the test so that cognitave ability is suposedly tested instead of rote knowledge.)

capt. apathy · « **Reply #259 on:** January 21, 2003, 05:51:54 PM »

Didja ever get pulled over simply because you were a white man driving in the wrong neighborhood?

have been pulled over for being oin the wrong neighborhood. (long hair, on a bike cutting through a rich part of town), pulled over, knocked down, shotgun to the back of the head, while they checked ID. (man I don't miss Kansas City).

funny thing though, they didn't do any job inter-viewing or college enrollment questions while it was going on.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #260 on:** January 21, 2003, 06:01:28 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Didja ever get pulled over simply because you were a white man driving in the wrong neighborhood?

Yes- I was pulled over for driving through the ghetto "at the wrong time of day" (it was actually night time).

Being white will get you pulled over, ironically in overwhelmingly poor black communities that are populated by drug dealers.

BTW- my family came from Germany in the early 1900s... I don't owe anyone nothing.

Funny thing tho, all this talk about giving hand me outs to "minorities"... yet the ones who were actually capable of succeeding at what they wanted, did so regardless of any hand me outs in times of severe racial discrimination.

Unless I'm mistaken about the 332nd FG... Some people still insist they are being held back... the only thing holding them back is that sack of meat resting on their shoulders.
-SW

AKIron · « **Reply #261 on:** January 21, 2003, 06:05:48 PM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy
funny thing though, they didn't do any job inter-viewing or college enrollment questions while it was going on.

hehe

AKIron · « **Reply #262 on:** January 21, 2003, 06:42:33 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
I'm sory Iron, but no. SAT's are designed to disregard the educational level of the test taker and are suposed to indicate their ability to use cognitave ability.

Well, they should. Who deserves more to get into a college than someone that has worked hard to prepare?

lazs2 · « **Reply #263 on:** January 22, 2003, 08:51:57 AM »

wulf... asians in the states go to the same schools whites and blacks do. They are more skilled/smarter in cetain areas on the average.

mt.. I don't get what you are saying.. if whites and blacks both go to the same school and the whites do better on the average and then do better on the SAT and then do better in higher education how is it "socio-economic"? I think anyone who uses a term like "socio-economic" is lazy and probly shiftless.

Why is it so hard to believe that race place a part in mental as well as physical skill? Why would race ponly affect the physical? Seems that denying that it does is what is keeping people from living with each other.... AA causes resentment and backlash among thinking people. Believe me.... I am not the only one to feel that a woman or black in a position of power is there because the person who deserved the job got screwed.
lazs

midnight Target · « **Reply #264 on:** January 22, 2003, 10:11:23 AM »

I'm still looking for the post where I said "socio-economic".

Here are the facts lazs -

Generally speaking a white person and a black person who have similar grades in high school will do equally as well in college. The white person however, will score higher on the SAT. This indicates a problem with the test, not the race. Now if the test is used as an entrance requirement for higher education the bias becomes self perpetuating.

AKIron · « **Reply #265 on:** January 22, 2003, 10:26:23 AM »

MT, the biggest gaps between races are in math. How can an algebra question be biased?

I hold that the disparaity in the SAT results is prepatory education and nothing more.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #266 on:** January 22, 2003, 10:33:01 AM »

Lazs- I dunno why you pointed that out to me?

MT- Simple solution: they can go to community college, get their education at 1/4 or less the price of a 4 year university, get good grades there and be a shoe in at any 4 year university.

I did poorly on the SATs, I went to comm college, got an assoc in Comp Network Mgmt. I am now at a 4 year university going for a BS in Comp Science.. why does a black person deserve a better shot at a 4 year university than I do?

We both did poorly on the SATs.
-SW

AKIron · « **Reply #267 on:** January 22, 2003, 10:35:46 AM »

Remember reading somewhere that SAT scores are a good indicator of who will finish college. Seems like it was 65% of those that score over 1000 finish college within 5 years while only 35% of those scoring less than 900 finish at all.

midnight Target · « **Reply #268 on:** January 22, 2003, 11:21:31 AM »

Here are some facts.. A Faulty Instrument For Predicting College Success

So SW, your solution for an obviously biased test is to send the person who has been wronged to a CC?

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #269 on:** January 22, 2003, 11:28:10 AM »

I still fail to see how it's "obviously biased"... No one has pointed that out yet, except your little "racial discrimation" question that was in fact related to geography and not race.

I didn't do well on the test either, but since I'm white, my bellybutton don't deserve no perks, right?
-SW