Author Topic: Affirmative Action (Read 6296 times)

midnight Target · « **Reply #210 on:** January 20, 2003, 08:31:54 PM »

I already answered your question Gunthr...

"Hello Wall"

But you never answered mine.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #211 on:** January 20, 2003, 08:34:44 PM »

I'm curious,
If we where to take a poll, here on this bbs, and find out that our ethnic diversity didn't reflect the population of the world as a whole. would that mean that this game is some how biased.
maybe the model for 20-50 yr old white males is porked, and needs reworking?

not everything that doesn't match the diversity of the world is discriminatory.

midnight Target · « **Reply #212 on:** January 20, 2003, 08:43:06 PM »

Anyone who thinks discrimination and racism in the workplace and in general has disappeared is sadly misinformed.

Remember, the cure is sometimes painful.

Here is a little analogy I like:

A white man and a black man start a race. The only difference is that the black man must carry a piano. The white man easily pulls far into the lead.

About 1/2 way through, the judges decide that it isn't fair to make the black man carry the piano anymore. He puts it down and proceeds.

Is the race fair now?
How do you make it fair?
Should you make it fair?

Happy MLK day BTW.

Thrawn · « **Reply #213 on:** January 20, 2003, 08:45:28 PM »

Capt, what is your solution for dealing with discrimination in the work place and in highering practices?

mietla said,

"No, it's a white man not being racist. Merit is merit."

Right, but ones ability to prove their merit isn't always equal. Do you think all highshool students should have the same quality of general education?

Gunthr · « **Reply #214 on:** January 20, 2003, 08:50:12 PM »

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I already answered your question Gunthr... "Hello Wall"

Link, please.

Thrawn · « **Reply #215 on:** January 20, 2003, 08:50:31 PM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy
I'm curious,
If we where to take a poll, here on this bbs, and find out that our ethnic diversity didn't reflect the population of the world as a whole. would that mean that this game is some how biased.
maybe the model for 20-50 yr old white males is porked, and needs reworking?

not everything that doesn't match the diversity of the world is discriminatory.

You put the importance of playing Aces High as the same as an education and a job?

Kanth · « **Reply #216 on:** January 20, 2003, 09:29:14 PM »

Here's one I like a little better.

A white man and a black man start a race.

The black man once heard about a man who had to actually carry a piano during a race such as this.

The black man starts to fall behind in the race.

He stops running and cries out to all that will hear him that it was the other black man's piano (that he'd only heard of) that caused him to lose and demands compensaton.

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Originally posted by midnight Target

Here is a little analogy I like:

A white man and a black man start a race. The only difference is that the black man must carry a piano. The white man easily pulls far into the lead.

About 1/2 way through, the judges decide that it isn't fair to make the black man carry the piano anymore. He puts it down and proceeds.

Is the race fair now?
How do you make it fair?
Should you make it fair?

Happy MLK day BTW.

midnight Target · « **Reply #217 on:** January 20, 2003, 09:40:37 PM »

Gunthr wrote -

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Here: "You obviously believe that because whites live in a racist society, and they have benefitted from racism, there is a debt that is owed to black people that should be paid by all of us currently living Americans. Admit it." - Gunthr

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Originally posted by midnight Target
OK, I'll play. I admit it. We owe a debt to those who have been wronged by our illegal or immoral institutions. That debt may be in the form of additional asistance in gaining entrance to an advanced education.

I have never run from my beliefs, and I would like to point out that your posts have yet to prove any point at all except possibly to accentuate your personal passions.

~~You are starting to sound suspisiously like Hortlund....~~

Gunthr · « **Reply #218 on:** January 20, 2003, 09:47:18 PM »

Can anyone tell me how MT feels about Reparations - cash payments allegedly due to black people for past discrimination?

He won't tell me.

Thrawn · « **Reply #219 on:** January 20, 2003, 09:52:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunthr
Can anyone tell me how MT feels about Reparations - cash payments allegedly due to black people for past discrimination?

He won't tell me.

I spent 2 seconds in the search function, using the word "Reparations", the user ID "Midnight", and searched in the O'Club.

Look what I found. "Reparations for slavery is a silly notion that will never work."

midnight Target · « **Reply #220 on:** January 20, 2003, 09:55:41 PM »

Kanth...

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Denny's

In 1993, Denny's restaurant chain fell under an uncomfortable spotlight as it faced the first of several lawsuits and thousands of claims of racial discrimination of its customers. San Jose, California was the site of the first incident, when several black teenagers were refused service unless they agreed to pay in advance (Smith, 1996). The following year more and more issues came crashing down on the popular casual dining chain. One of the most well-known cases was that of six Asian-Americans of Syracuse University. The students visited a Denny's restaurant late at night and waited over 30 minutes for service. As white patrons were regularly seated and waited on, these six students were kept waiting. When they complained, they were forcibly ejected from the establishment by two security guards. Outside, they were beaten by a mob of white customers that spilled out of the restaurant while guards stood by and did nothing. These six students were pushed, shoved, jeered, and racially insulted, and not a single law enforcer present did anything to stop it. Three black students were threatened with mace by guards when they attempted to aid the Asian-Americans. A white student accompanying the group was also threatened. Two of these students were knocked unconscious during the assault ("Students Accuse," 1997).

On the same day that the first lawsuit was settled, six black Secret Service agents visited a Denny's restaurant in Annapolis, Maryland, and were forced to wait an hour for service while their white companions were seated promptly and were waited on with second and third helpings (Guillermo, 1997). Countless other incidents similar in nature occurred throughout the Denny's chain. One Sacramento resident, a white male, was seated promptly at a Denny's restaurant. When his wife, a black woman, came to join him, the waitress's demeanor altered drastically. She slammed down a plate of spaghetti in front of the black woman, splattering her blouse with tomato sauce. Another black Denny's customer, Douglas McNeal, was told that he and his friends had to pay for their meals at the same time they ordered their food. McNeal observed a white couple order and pay up at the counter after their meal, as usual. He questioned the waitress: "We asked the waitress about it and she said some black guys had been in earlier who made a scene and walked out without paying their bill. So the manager now wanted all blacks to pay up front" (Ferraro, 1995).

Who's piano?

midnight Target · « **Reply #221 on:** January 20, 2003, 09:57:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunthr
Can anyone tell me how MT feels about Reparations - cash payments allegedly due to black people for past discrimination?

He won't tell me.

Now your sniveling...

Thank you Thrawn, but,

Give a man a fish.. you know the rest.

Gunthr · « **Reply #222 on:** January 20, 2003, 10:04:28 PM »

You have no shame, MT.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #223 on:** January 20, 2003, 10:40:19 PM »

MT, regarding Denny's-
What Denny’s did was illegal and wrong, and the victims took them to court over it.
The difference is that when AA discriminates against you there is no real recourse.

Thrawn,
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Capt, what is your solution for dealing with discrimination in the work place and in highering practices.

You put the importance of playing Aces High as the same as an education and a job?
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1st issue, these practices are illegal and you have recourse under the law.

2nd issue, no, try to pay attention. It’s a parallel, an analogy. Discrimination is discrimination. Bias is bias. Statistics are statistics. The importance or gravity of the result is irrelevant when you are deciding the morality of an issue.

A full house beats 3 of a kind. It doesn't matter whether the bet is 25 cents or 25 grand

AKIron · « **Reply #224 on:** January 20, 2003, 10:53:54 PM »

MT, I've eaten at Denny's, they were doing those guys a favor by not serving them.

Seriously though, being treated toejamty by a privately owned restaurant, and yes Denny's deserves to be boycotted, what does that have to do with education or job opportunities? Unless you're a minority looking to work there.

It'd be interesting to know what the percentage of minorities is among Denny's employees.

The Internet is an amazing thing. Here's what I found:

Today, approximately half of Denny's parent company's 46,000 employees are minorities, 11 percent of them black and 31 percent Latino. Thirty-two percent of the supervisory positions are held by minorities, and for two straight years Fortune magazine has named it the "Best Company in America for Minorities."