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« Reply #90 on: January 24, 2003, 05:58:25 PM »
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Basically, on any given UBB, the atheists are always the first to cast stones at religous folks.

Now why do YOU say that? ;)
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« Reply #91 on: January 24, 2003, 06:01:29 PM »
Shyaddup, ya creationist homo!  :p
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« Reply #92 on: January 24, 2003, 06:02:07 PM »
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I'm a creationist.  I believe God created evolution.  :)


Some believe that evolution created man then man created god...that is much more believable.......I believe ;)

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« Reply #93 on: January 24, 2003, 06:02:32 PM »
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But is it real this time? ;)


The authors address this in their paper (see the link I provided). In fact, Xu, the principle author of this paper is the person who discovered the archaeoraptor forgery. The last sentence reads: "We carefully examined the specimens under the microscope and with high-resolution X-ray computerized tomography (CT) to test the authenticity of one of the studied specimens(45) (IVPP V13352) and can guarantee the accuracy of the information that we provide in this study."
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« Reply #94 on: January 24, 2003, 06:34:57 PM »
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Fact: All living forms come from previous living forms.
 


That should explain the origins of life then...

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« Reply #95 on: January 24, 2003, 06:41:56 PM »
Time, like space, is curved. From the situation in the world today, not to mention the posts on this board, I think we're on the down side.
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« Reply #96 on: January 24, 2003, 07:02:23 PM »
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That should explain the origins of life then...


Oh... I get it... because we can't understand how it started, we ignore the evidence that evolution does in fact occur.

We have chickens and eggs, but we can't explain which came first so it's quite obvious that there is no such thing as chickens (or eggs).
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« Reply #97 on: January 24, 2003, 07:09:02 PM »
The chicken or egg thing is easy for the evolutionist, the embryo in the egg is the first chicken since it evolved from it's host < mother > who was not quite chicken yet.

An over simplification for sure because of the slow pace of most evolutionary changes but it gets the point across.

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« Reply #98 on: January 24, 2003, 07:17:37 PM »
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Oh... I get it... because we can't understand how it started, we ignore the evidence that evolution does in fact occur.

We have chickens and eggs, but we can't explain which came first so it's quite obvious that there is no such thing as chickens (or eggs).


Look moron, this is what you posted first:
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Fact: There are major life forms on the planet today that were not present in the past.

Fact: There are major life forms of the past that are no longer living.

Fact: All living forms come from previous living forms.

Conclusion: All present forms of life arose from previous forms that were different.

The mechanism that made all this possible is the theory part. Evolution does indeed happen. The theory is in trying to explain how.


I have just pointed out that your "fact" nr 3 is not really a fact at all. because if it was a "fact" then you would be able to prove that it is correct. Now, since you cannot explain how life originated, that "fact" is flawed. If you remove that "fact" the entire theory crumbles and becomes null and void.

Not only that, the underlying logic is so severely flawed that it is quite rediculous really "all living forms come from previous living forms" and when confronted with the question "so how did life originate", the statement falls. And you try to attempt some silly "chicken or egg" rubbish.

&¤#&¤ Just looking at your rediculous attempts at logical reasoning pisses me off actually.

fact #1 and fact #2 has got nothing to do with anything, fact #3 is flawed, and from these irrelevant, pointless or false assumptions you reach a conclusion that is no where near based on your underlying "facts".

Before you go mouth off like that you should at least try to get some rudimentary knowledge of the scientific method..or at least get an education.

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Looking over it again. Even if one would accept your 3 "facts" as true, they do not support the conclusion. GET AN EDUCATION BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
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« Reply #99 on: January 24, 2003, 07:32:10 PM »
Hortlund, how did life start?
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« Reply #100 on: January 24, 2003, 07:45:12 PM »
I can usually tell when I've hit a nerve. You name call and question everyone's education but your own. Thanks for participating, Steve.

Can you name a single organism on the planet today that did not come from some other organism before it? Fact #3 is indeed fact. There isn't a single life form on the planet today that didn't come from something else.

Origin of life is all theory... No question... plenty of room for divine intervention here if that's your bent.

Evolution and origin of species is something else entirely with plenty of evidence to support it.


It's not about god guys. It's really not. It's about the literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, a book that quite obvious to the casual observer, is a load of crap.
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« Reply #101 on: January 24, 2003, 07:56:48 PM »
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Hortlund, how did life start?


Oh Oh Oh... I know this one... :)

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9 Then God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear"; and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good. 11 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth"; and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.


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20 Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens." 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." 23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.


Note... the plants came before the Sun according to the book.
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« Reply #102 on: January 24, 2003, 08:00:59 PM »
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not really a fact at all. because if it was a "fact" then you would be able to prove that it is correct.


I got one for ya Mr. Logic.

Is the square root of 2 a never repeating decimal? How about Pi?

Prove it.


Calling someone a MORON because you think his logic is flawed, then backing it up with a silly statement like that is really below you. Something like Evolution has been proven to the extent that it is highly unlikely that it is wrong.

Enough to convict in even your courtroom logicmeister.

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« Reply #103 on: January 24, 2003, 08:04:29 PM »
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(best smug/smiling voice)  "Ohh no... I dont need evolution... Ive got Jesus."


and i got Allah at my side everyday:rolleyes:

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« Reply #104 on: January 24, 2003, 08:30:39 PM »
There is solid evidence disproving stellar evolutionary theories.

Over a period of time a variety of fantastic theories were invented, which, together, were given the title, "stellar evolution." The basic theory teaches that free-floating hydrogen gas in outer space pushed itself into stars, and then those stars exploded. Those explosions are supposed to have pushed gas into more stars! (For more on this, open the web page, Origin of Matter).—p. 11.

The stellar evolution theory is foolishness. Fortunately, common sense and reputable scientists have refuted it. Yet their writings are not well-known. Here is a summary of some of their findings. The truth is that there are many scientific facts which disprove the theory of fog coming out of nothing and pressing itself into stars:

16 FATAL FLAWS
Here are fundamental reasons disproving stellar evolution

1 - Where did the gas come from? Hydrogen gas is supposed to have made itself into stars, but where did the hydrogen come from?—p. 12.

2 - How could random gas movements produce stars and galaxies? The intricate design and balance of the galaxies renders the theory impossible. Gas, floating in outer space, does not push itself into stars.—p. 12.

3 - The birth of a star has never been observed. How then can anyone presume to tell us how it came about?—p. 12.

4 - We should see exploding stars today, since the theory requires that billions and billions of exploding stars occurred. Why would they have stopped exploding?—p. 13.

5 - It is not possible for loose, free-floating hydrogen to push itself into even one star, much less billions of them. Gas in outer space only expands; it does not contract. The pull of gravity within the gas, would not be strong enough to push it together.—p. 13.

6 - A star (super-nova) explosion would blow everything outward; it would not compress gas into new stars.—p. 13.

7 - Stars are too far apart for even combined explosions to push gas into more new stars.—p. 13.

8 - There is not enough evolutionary time for the stars to be formed. The theory requires that they all explode themselves into existence, and then stop exploding just before their light could be sent for us to see.—p. 13.

9 - There is a universal law requiring star degeneration, not star formation. It is called the Second Law of Thermodynamics.—p. 13. (See Laws of Nature vs. Evolution.)

10 - Explosions could not produce what we find in the skies. All about us are the complicated orbits and careful balancing of the stars around galaxies.—p. 13.

11 - The theory does not explain the working of gravity; yet, if it is a comprehensive theory of self-originations, it should do so.—p. 14.

12 - The theory requires that stars are fueled (shine) by hydrogen explosions, but that cannot be true since not enough neutrinos (subatomic antimatter) are formed.—p. 14.

13 - Evolutionists dare not accept the truth of the missing neutrinos, because they know it would destroy their theory of star origins.—p. 14.

14 - Stars shine because of solar collapse, not hydrogen explosions. This fact means the universe is much younger than the evolutionists theorize.—pp. 15-16.

15 - Solar shock waves (160-minute oscillations) on the sun's surface, support the concept of solar collapse.—p. 16.

16 - Abundant evidence points to a young universe and a very young Planet Earth.—(See Age of the Earth.)—p. 16.

20 MORE PROBLEMS
Still more scientific facts opposing the theory.

1 - Galaxies never exist alone; they always exist in pairs or larger groups. Yet, the theorized "cloud condensation" would not result in nearby pairs or groups.—p. 17.

2 - Stars are too far apart, within galaxies, for the galactic systems to form or hold together. The amount of matter within a galaxy could not produce the formation of individual stars. The space-to-mass ratio is too great to bind them together.—p. 17.

3 - Galactic stars travel too fast. The velocity of stars, traveling around the central galactic core, is too fast for galaxies to be very old.—p. 17.

4 - Wrapping-up factor. The galaxies cannot be very old because the galactic magnetic field would cause a too-quick wrapping-up of the stars.—p. 17.

5 - The usual saucer shape of galaxies defies explanation by the laws of physics. They should not hold together as they do.—p. 18.

6 - If the evolutionary redshift theory were true, stars within galaxies would fly apart, but they do not do so. (See The Origin of Matter, for an explanation of the redshift.)—p. 18.

7 - Some galaxy groups are joined by luminous bridges of matter. This cannot be explained by the stellar evolution theory.—p. 19.

8 - Hydrogen gas in outer space cannot possibly stick together. This important proof was worked out by Harwit.—p. 19.

9 - Each galaxy must be as young as its youngest stars, because of the mass-luminosity law and the fact that all types of stars are found in each galaxy.—p. 19.

10 - All stars are chemically similar, yet they should not be if the theory was true.—p. 19

11 - Outflowing gas cannot possibly clump together into stars. There is no scientific way it can happen.—pp. 19-20.

12 - There is not enough matter in gas clouds to form a star. There are just not enough particles, close enough together, for them to push themselves into a ball.—p. 20.

13 - Gas clouds expand, they do not contract. Therefore they cannot form stars.—p. 20.

14 - The theory says stars are formed by explosions, but: (1) If one star exploded to form a second star, where did the first star come from? (2) If a star has to be destroyed, to make another one,—where did all our billions of stars come from? (3) If a star exploded, the outrushing gases would keep flowing outward. According to the theory, the first stars only had hydrogen in them, and they had to explode in order to make heavier element stars. But, if each exploding star only made one new star, where did the billions of heavier stars in the universe come from?—p. 20.

15 - Stars should not exist at all. There is simply no mechanism by which they could form. Gas on earth would never push into itself; it would expand. In the vacuum of outer space, it would be even less possible.—p. 25.

16 - Stars never get closer than a certain distance. This appears to be according to preplanning.—pp. 25, 27.

17 - A physical barrier exists between the smallest and largest stars; the red giants and the white dwarfs they are supposed to evolve into.—p. 27.

18 - Over half the stars are binary or multiple star systems. How could they possibly originate from random gas movements and star explosions? Only God could make two stars encircle each other, without crashing into one another.—p. 20.

19 - No evidence exists that evolution theory has occurred anywhere in the universe.—p. 20

20 - The First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics are powerful and cannot be broken. They deny the possibility of stellar evolution. (See The Laws of Nature vs. Evolution, for more on this.)—pp. 20-21.

The search continues. Evolutionists desperately continue searching for some scrap of evidence which will really support their theory that the universe made itself. But they labor in vain.—pp. 21, 23.

Conclusion. The truly great men are those who acknowledge that God made the universe and everything within it.—p. 23.