Author Topic: Wounded POW rescue. (Read 1658 times)

krazyhorse · « **Reply #60 on:** April 02, 2003, 01:58:31 PM »

miko i think you might have taken to much into my comment , in wars there will be POW's, and we can do nothing as to how they are treated, i'm simply implying that the Iraqie's are not comply with the"rules"of POW treatment, but i also believe thath we did not expect them to.

anonymous · « **Reply #61 on:** April 02, 2003, 02:16:37 PM »

miko have a point "never leave a guy behind" dont always apply. if almost no chance of pulling off rescue without incurring massive casualty among rescue force then you dont go for rescue. CSAR in VN was totally diff situation, fluid situation tactically and were trying to get the guys before they got picked up. and for every guy we got we told one to wait overnight because situation too hot and we never heard from him next morning. batdog look at it this way you are captured and being worked over in place with insane security and you know your boys are plotting to come spring you. if you know you are gonna get shot before you ever rescued and that your boys are gonna get shot up trying you are praying they dont try. thats how ive always felt. if im gonna be tortured to death next 72 hours i dont want a single guy risking death if no reasonable chance of success. even when the odds are good and surprise there a pow prison break is gonna be a hairy deal at best. odds are they tried and sprung the girl because they could get local superiority on the enemy in the area and had surprise. "leave no one behind" is honorable but if she was in a prison block in middle of bagdahd even if she is being raped you dont sent 30 operators after her if theres a fifty-fifty that you lose half your guys even if everything goes right. smart enemy will always use pows as lure for ambush as well. and miko also right about no need to give details. just say she rescued and safe. let enemy wonder where we found her and how we got her.

Hortlund · « **Reply #62 on:** April 02, 2003, 02:25:51 PM »

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Women have very fragile bones compared to men and are naturally clumsy - also relative to men, especially the clerk types, so once they start jumping from moving vehicles with greandes exploding all over the place, you are bound to have a few broken bones.

True colors shining through eh?

I'm not putting you on my ignore list miko, only because I never put anyone on ignore.

But this is...heh, I'm at a loss for words actually... You are talking about a 19 yr old girl

a 19 yr old girl who was shot, captured, tortured...raped. And you have the GALL to sit and talk some sexist bull**** about natually clumsy women?

Disgusting...you disgust me.

And with that this conversation is over for my part.

anonymous · « **Reply #63 on:** April 02, 2003, 02:35:18 PM »

dude he aint being sexist. bigg diff between a 20 year old guy in infantry who have tough bones from running and assault course and such and 19 year old girl in maintanence. grenade go off nearby infantry guys know the drill and response is controlled and practiced. set off grenade near new maintainence person they likely to run into a vehicle at full speed and get knocked out. look at it this way dude breaking bones not very effective means of torture and iraqi guys who do that stuff are known to have alot of practice. no doubt she got worked over but not every injury on her came from secret police probably.

Dingbat · « **Reply #64 on:** April 02, 2003, 04:41:34 PM »

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dude he aint being sexist. bigg diff between a 20 year old guy in infantry who have tough bones from running and assault course and such and 19 year old girl in maintanence. grenade go off nearby infantry guys know the drill and response is controlled and practiced. set off grenade near new maintainence person they likely to run into a vehicle at full speed and get knocked out. look at it this way dude breaking bones not very effective means of torture and iraqi guys who do that stuff are known to have alot of practice. no doubt she got worked over but not every injury on her came from secret police probably.

Each soldier gets the same basic training. Their specialty doesn't have much to do with it.

X2Lee · « **Reply #65 on:** April 02, 2003, 05:02:25 PM »

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Wonder why that is...

Funny how people make a huge deal of sexual assault of female soldiers during wartime as though it is something different than the torture and murder of our male soldiers, as if it is somehow more important..

makes me sick.

Kanth, its the man in us. We see ourselves as natural protectors of women. Its *instinct*

I know that sounds macho and I dont mean to. Its just nature.

X2Lee · « **Reply #66 on:** April 02, 2003, 05:05:00 PM »

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Sorry Hortlund, I was being a smartass (read: ), I didn't actually require an explanation.

It's origins can be debated, but not in this thread.

lol I like a tard replied to

anonymous · « **Reply #67 on:** April 02, 2003, 05:07:21 PM »

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Each soldier gets the same basic training. Their specialty doesn't have much to do with it.

thats true but im not talking about basic training. im talking about advanced infantry combat training and the difference in day to day routine between some guy in a rifle platoon and some guy or girl in a maintanence company. theres a very big difference. you could take a guy from a supply type unit and 2 days in an infantry unit during field exercises would whup his butt.

Kanth · « **Reply #68 on:** April 02, 2003, 05:42:16 PM »

This board has some seriously wild acoustics.

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Originally posted by X2Lee
Kanth, its the man in us. We see ourselves as natural protectors of women. Its *instinct*

I know that sounds macho and I dont mean to. Its just nature.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #69 on:** April 02, 2003, 05:49:37 PM »

it is instinct.. I agree

OIO · « **Reply #70 on:** April 02, 2003, 06:52:58 PM »

Folks, Miko has a point to make and its valid. I cant believe most of you mouth off at it.

The way I see it Miko, if Iraq had followed geneva convention or did not have a record of extreme brutality, then its possible the US would not have made the rescue AT the hospital.

But when your enemy executes prisioners and is known to torture POWs (as happened to other POWS in 1991), I believe that disregarding the hospital as a safe haven is a wise choice. Chances are she wouldve been killed anyway when the Hussein regime crumbled.

One thing ive heard thrown around is "hey, they had her at a hospital, they cant be that bad"...

they also found 11 bodies, weapons stash and other military gear in the hospital.. maybe because they thought the US would not bomb said hospital and it was convenient to send a wounded POW there for torture (and she was being tortured, they found electric torture devices near her bloody clothes) to a place that would probably keep her safe from bombing and alive a lot longer to squeeze info out of her.

Otto · « **Reply #71 on:** April 02, 2003, 09:35:52 PM »

"The officer said that Special Operations forces found what looked like a "prototype" Iraqi torture chamber in the hospital's basement, with batteries and metal prods.

Briefing reporters at Central Command headquarters, Brig. Gen. Brooks said the hospital apparently was being used as a military command post. "

That's some frigging Hospital they got there.....