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« Reply #105 on: May 14, 2003, 04:02:36 PM »
lol :D

Tuscan Speed 6:



Tuscan R:





Looking for stats now. But Tuscan R is 450 BHP and 200+ mph and Tuscan Speed 6 is 360 BHP.
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« Reply #106 on: May 14, 2003, 04:37:39 PM »
Do they come in colors other then "turd in oiley water"

:)  :D :D :D

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« Reply #107 on: May 14, 2003, 04:42:53 PM »







How about those? :)
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« Reply #108 on: May 14, 2003, 04:44:20 PM »
FWIW, I still plan to own a Cobra someday...at the time, it was just not the car I needed for A)Commuting  B)Gas milege C) Rear seat capacity.  

This past week-end we took a 800 mile trip with the 3'er.  Trunk full of suitcases and a small cooler, 2 adults, 2 kids....it was at this moment that I finally came to peace with myself that I'd made the right decision on a Commuting/Family car. (Except for the speeding ticket! :D)


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« Reply #109 on: May 14, 2003, 04:49:49 PM »
Ya got it backwards Dowding, I fixed it for ya. ;)

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« Reply #110 on: May 14, 2003, 04:50:07 PM »
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Originally posted by rc51
LOL you got to be kidding me!!
I will put my 350z up against a GT mustang any day.
sock fer stock.
The Z will far out handle the GT.
And it's pretty fast as well.
have you ever driven one?




rc51 - I understand youre commitment to your purchase, but I dont think the 350Z holds true to the bloodlines of the Z's before it.

First off, I dont own a Mustang.  Never have, probably never will.  From the little experience I have in the cars, I can say with confidence that I would NOT want to be in one on the track.  1/4, outstanding potential... but on a road course, no way.  Too heavy, period.

I have driven a 350Z and I was comparing it to my, at the time, "tastefully" modded 944 Turbo and a buddy of mine's 95 E36 M3 (stock).  What we found in real world "testing" is that the 944 Turbo was the fastest in straight line acceleration by boatlengths, with the E36 M3 edging out the 350Z by about 1 1/2 car lengths from 0-100.

In terms of its "feel" I was of the opinion that the 350Z was a fantastic touring car, much like an E46 M3 or a C32 AMG (without the power obviously) but not a sports car.  It felt disconnected to me, no sterring feel, no pedal feel, and no feedback from car to driver.  

Perhaps if Nissan (or Nismo) introduces a bi-turbo version, then it may be the car to knock the Supra off its "way too much torque for my own good" high horse.

Until that time, if its a Z car I need, Ill take an old 240Z any day of the week.  Fun, fast, nimble, and confident on the track.  Id put money on a 240Z running circles around a 350Z on just about any short road course in the states with a decent driver.  

When youre talking about road racing, you need about 10 different things to succeed, horsepower comes in at the very bottom of that list.

YMMV

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« Reply #111 on: May 14, 2003, 04:52:58 PM »
lol! :D Good one.

I reckon driving one of those would very much be like making love to a beautiful woman. (British audience joke there :D)
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« Reply #112 on: May 14, 2003, 04:53:43 PM »
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When youre talking about road racing, you need about 10 different things to succeed, horsepower comes in at the very bottom of that list.

YMMV


Good post, however I'd rate HP about the middle of the list.  "Handling" via suspension I'd rate the highest.  The ponies don't do you no good if you can't handle the car. ;)

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« Reply #113 on: May 14, 2003, 04:54:42 PM »
But the interiors look like something out of a bad Sci fi movie... yikes..

I wonder if it is as uncomfortable as it looks?

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« Reply #114 on: May 14, 2003, 04:58:12 PM »
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Originally posted by Vipermann
I'd love to race Rip, easygun, and rc51. Not saying I'd win but I'm sure it would be fun.

My car doesn't have a V8 though....in fact I don't have any cylinders ;)

 


Viperman - AWESOME car!  Im not much for Japanese cars, but I have to admit the last generation RX7 is a favorite of mine... I know better than to line up next to one.  :D

I also see youre in PA, I saw a black RX7 only a few days ago driving around - wonder if it was you.

Anything done to it?  How is the Wankel holding up?

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« Reply #115 on: May 14, 2003, 05:06:18 PM »
PS:  For those spouting off about a V8 being necessary in a "sports car"  click and save - enjoy.

87 951 (no, not mine) vs. 96 SVT Cobra


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http://members.rennlist.com/dan87951/87951vs96Cobra.mov


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« Reply #116 on: May 14, 2003, 05:19:30 PM »
Dowding... you can walk into any corvette dealership and get a 450 hp vette 6 speed.    I will bet that any corvette dealer in the world would take your order for a lingenfelter.   TVR was a brave effort but it just can't compete.

I would like to see a series that pitted cobra Mustangs against 350 datsuns and bmw's but... it doesn't exist.   The mustangs are in a different production class... they are faster..  wouldn't be fair.

I never drove the 350 datsun but I drove the one before that and it was said to be a mustang killer too... I got that 'disconnected' feeling from it and... I couldn't see well out of the car and it plowed.   brakes were very good... well balanced.  haven't driven a new cobra but drove a 98 saleen..   It was allmost scary capable..   C5 corvettes are so good that you hardly have to know how to drive to go around corners in em.... Drive one if you want to know what a 1g corner feels like.   It's not what you would expect.

All the cars mentioned are more capable than we are.   They have different pluses... the BMW is refined with good solid feel and comfort... the cobra is brutal fast with tight racy feel suspension... the vette is starwars sophisticated and omigawd fast..  z cars are good value and will probly hold up well with good jap electronics and bulletproof engines... the viper is ... well... a viper.  

The thing that puts the U.S iron ahead for me is the fact that it is so easy to make it your own..  hop up stuff is readily availabel and cheap..  the motors respond easily to such work.   For many.. that is not important..  they want the car to be the best it can be right off the showroom floor and will never change a thing.   Ultimate capability is nothing to them. sooo..

to each his own.
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« Reply #117 on: May 14, 2003, 05:29:15 PM »
keep in mind that the base price of the Z is 10k cheaper than the cobra.
And again they make several versions of the Z.
I have the touring model.
But you really must DRIVE the track model to get a good feel for the cars potential.

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« Reply #118 on: May 14, 2003, 06:58:57 PM »
Lazs, yer right about the 'Stang being set in a different race than BMW but wrong because the 'Stang is slower around the track even with more ponies.  This 2.5 yr. old article explains why the cobra is better but from the perspective of " Price no object, the BMW M3 is the better car. But how many of us can claim that price is no object? :
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/comparison/articles/43909/page004.html
But your right about "different strokes for different folks"

RC51, this is my "Track" where I test drove the Cobra and the 330, 16 curves with a straight away (1 mile long) total course of 7 miles, no ditch, no blind curves and 3 "humps" where you can get the change on your dashboard suspended in mid air without leaving the ground... if you bite it, you're in a cow pasture with scratches from barbed wire(gotta make a worthy penalty for bad handling ;) ) Its 1 mile from where I live and it calls my name out at night ;)
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« Reply #119 on: May 14, 2003, 09:19:01 PM »
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Viperman - AWESOME car!  Im not much for Japanese cars, but I have to admit the last generation RX7 is a favorite of mine... I know better than to line up next to one.  :D

I also see youre in PA, I saw a black RX7 only a few days ago driving around - wonder if it was you.

Anything done to it?  How is the Wankel holding up?


I live in Fleetwood, PA. It's between Reading and Allentown. If it was any other state I'd say it was me for sure since there aren't many 3rd Gen's left, but in PA there are more than normal since some of the best rotary mechanics are in PA.

The car has 117k on it. The engine was replaced when I got it since the previous owner didn't realize that for a radiator to work there needs to be fluid in it. Wankel's loathe heat and one ping is enough to blow an Apex seal. So far I've had no problems, change the oil every 2k, 32k on the new engine and still purring.

The engine was street ported, new turbo's ported, full exhaust-all Stainless since it's like the fires of hell coming out the back, new intake for the turbos.

New radiator(a bit larger), new intercoolers, and larger injectors and fuel pump.

My only complaint about the car is the suspension, it's sooo hard, but it's great for the track.
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