Foul Language in AH :(

[Udie]

heheheh I remember when they put the cuss word filter in WB a few years back.  I have a squadie, his handle is Asso.  That poor dude got NO six calls after the cussing filter.  It always read a##o 6666666666! Poor guy is from Europe and didn't understand.  He thought people had stopped talking to him LOL!  

 If you read this Asso, we miss ya buddy!

Udie

[J_A_B]

I very seldom get so frustrated as to use foul language online--mostly, I'll cuss out my PC.  Still, unless it is being used for the sole purpose to make people mad, I don't care about it.  people get frustrated and, if cussing helps, fine.

However, I think it is wrong to force everyone to "be nice".

Why should an online game be forced down to the standard of what is acceptable for a 6-year-old?  Little kids sure as heck don't pay the bills.

Cussing is bad because its pointless and rude.  I don't give a <.....> what your little pre-schooler thinks.  YOU'RE his parent, not me.  I won't change how I act to conform with how a 6-year-old should act.

If you don't want your kids seeing bad language, don't let them play.  You know foul language is present in AH--so if you let them play and they see F***, it is YOUR fault, not the game's.  It is not our responsability to only say things fit for a child.  It is YOUR responsability to keep your child from things he/she shouldn't see.

When I was growing up, not very long ago, the world didn't try to pander to the needs of a little kid.  Parents weren't obsessed with trying to change anything not fit for a child.  Instead, I simply wasn't allowed near things which weren't fit for a kid.  I think that approach worked pretty good.

If your kid wants to fly a plane and you don't want him/her seeing foul language, don't try to force all of us to change.  Buy your kid an offline simulator.  We aren't your kids' parents--YOU are.

That said, foul language is bad, it is coarse, and it is unnecessary.  But I don't think what a kid should see, has any relevance to an online game aimed at people decidedly older than 6.

J_A_B

[aztec]

The prevalence of foul language in AH is all the more reason we need a permanent squelch list. It won't solve the problem but I can't help but think it would be a step in the right direction...JMHO
 aztec

[Minotaur]

Dago;

Don't get me wrong, I am with you 100% in theory and in a perfect world it should work.

Sorry, I'm a realist on this issue and it just ain't going to happen.  IMO this issue is just a point of discussion.  Never the less, I salute your efforts to minimize profanity.

I am a father myself and I never condoned my children swearing, nor did I overly pursue the opposite.  If I exposed them to what I considered an un-healthy envoirment, I took them out of that envoirment.  

Simply, it was an effective way to change what I could change and not change what I could not change.    

If my kids cussed in front of my Mother or anyone else,  I told them to "Knock it off!".  In any case I never made a "Big Hoopla" out of it.  This strategy worked really good as now when my nearly adult children hear me cuss they provide some feedback exactly the same way.

"Hey Dad, Knock it off!"  


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[Wanker]

J_A_B said:  

However, I think it is wrong to force everyone to "be nice".

It's not about asking people to "be nice". It's about asking people to "be reasonable".

Honestly, J_A_B, I can't tell what side of the fence you're on here. First you say that you don't like Profanity, then you go on to say that it's the parents' fault for allowing their children to see the profanity.

I do monitor what my child sees, thank you very much, and I generally don't let him watch Aces High. But, I gambled the other day and hoped to give him a couple minutes to see what daddy was doing. And it figures, we couldn't have five mintues without the "F" word in the open buffer. He is still too young to know what that word is, but it made me angry to see that kind of crap on the open channel.

I don't see why this game can't be a game for adolescents and adults. As long as everyone follows the same set of guidlines for behavior, it should be fun for the young and old alike.

I still think Dago's orignal post at the top summed it all up very eloquently. Most if not all of us use profanity from time to time, but there should be places where it is not used. The radio buffer in AH is one of them.

[Ripsnort]

What banana said.

I take my kid to a football game, for entertainment.  So the guy next to me is using F words yelling at the QB.  Can I do anything about it? Nope.

I let my kid watch AH from time to time, for entertainment.  So the idiot in the text box is using the F word, can I do anything about it?  Maybe.

[Wingnut_0]

 

Originally posted by J_A_B:
However, I think it is wrong to force everyone to "be nice".
J_A_B

The child part of this is a minor issue.  I use my situation with my child as an example only.

 The real issue is consideration of others....and public behavior.  Is it forcing someone to be nice?  Well i guess it is, but to keep an online community healthy it's up to it's members to set the standards, etc...  If it's members don't try to appeal to everyone in cordial manner it will soon lead to more and more.  Will it stop it completely?  No..but if ya don't try then it will degrade itself to the point where cursing is the least of someone's worry.  I've seen it before as I'm sure some here have....


Wingnut

[J_A_B]

I am sorry for sounding ambiguous before.  I will try to clear up how I feel on this issue.

I personally don't like bad language.  However, a certain level of such language is to be expected in a tense environment such as Aces High.  I feel it is not fair to the community as a whole to ask them to only use language that is fit for a little kid.  If Aces High was a "children's game" then things would be different.  But it isn't.

For example, you can take your kid to see an R- or PG13 rated movie.  However, you know that certain things in the movie might not be fit for children.

A movie rated G would be another matter.  You would be totally shocked to see cussing in a G movie.   Are you surprised to see cussing in a PG13 or R movie?  I doubt it.

Same thing applies to Aces High.  It is not marketed towards children, hence it may not always be suitable for children.  

*I* don't like cussing either.  I can live with it, though, because I expect it--as I would with a PG13 or R movie.  

J_A_B

[Cobra]

 

Originally posted by J_A_B:

 However, a certain level of such language is to be expected in a tense environment such as Aces High.  I feel it is not fair to the community as a whole to ask them to only use language that is fit for a little kid.  

Why??  Seriously, Why should we expect that?

Look, I'm no prude and will use this language, but not in a public forum, or in a restuarant, or in the office.

And why shouldn't we ask some in the community to show restraint and personal self-discipline.

I mean, look at it, its not like its just uttered spontaneously, one actually has to make a deliberate effort to type it out!  Hell, curse all you want at home, who cares, but if you think all of us are on the edge of our seats just waiting for those profanities to come dribbling off your keyboard, you're wrong.  And how is the equation Profanity=Adult....I think its Profanity=Juvenile, Unimaginitive Thinking.

And this isn't some sort of thought-police type issue.  Think whatever you want, just refrain from bunching it out on the keyboard and hitting enter.

Cobra

[Rickenbacker]

One of the funniest things I've seen in AH was some loser cursing everyone and everything on ch. 1. HT was on and politely asked him to stop, only to get the reply "F**K YOU HT!". Channel 1 then filled with "uh-oh's" and the guy came back from being dumped a few minutes later to apoligize.  



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[J_A_B]

Such language is to be expeted from time to time, because humans have emotions.  And, those emotions sometimes get the better of us.

J_A_B

[ygsmilo]

This is concept that many people have no understanding of.

 

Originally posted by Cobra:

And why shouldn't we ask some in the community to show restraint and personal self-discipline.

Cobra

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The thing that always gets me about the internet is that if a person said some of the stuff on channel 1 to a person standing 3 feet in front of them, most of the time it would lead to a fight.  99% of the time they would not say those things to create the situation that leads to getting punched in the mouth.

I get frustrated, we all do.  Guess what, its only a Game.  The world will not stop rotating on its axis if you log off and go do something else.

If it is more than just a game to you, go get a harder job, or for some of the players here, go do your homework.  



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[Stiglr]

J-A-B has it right. Context is the key here. Holding children up as your "shield" is naiive; this *isn't* a G-rated game (what WARgame is??), and I for one, refuse to edit my language or conduct for a G audience, unless I'm IN a G environment. I'll gladly refrain from cursing if I go near a elementary school, but otherwise, I'm not a "Disney hypocrite" and won't act like one.

Now, I cuss online *occasionally*, and admittedly never really feel good about it (I do it at my monitor all the time, especially after a pilot kill!). I tend to use the "****" tactic mostly. If I ever get totally out of control, I apologize for it.

After all's said (!!) and done, I agree that the Carlin filter would be the best, most elegant solution. The "persistent squelch" is likewise a good idea, especially for those who want a vanilla-tongued AH experience.

[Creamo]

Not sure about all the kids watching stuff, seems odd if you have free time and kids around you'd be playing a computer game but whatever.

I have found something interesting though regarding a buffer filter. Try typing "blow me" and enter. It will lock you off posting for like 15 - 20 seconds, really.

 So when I then try to type "...a kiss" later  Im locked off the channel 1 buffer and people really get pissed.

[Apeman]

Actually, those who swear while online are being about as realistic as the flight model in the game "Blue Max". You don't swear on military radios...you don't, you don't. It hampers communications, it doesn't pass any information, it wastes times, and it isn't professional. They didn't do it in WWII and they rarely do it now...and those that do certainly hear about it.

Ape