Author Topic: Foul Language in AH :(  (Read 1143 times)

Offline Torque

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« Reply #60 on: September 20, 2000, 03:35:00 AM »
fek me wrong thread doh....chit....doh....

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« Reply #61 on: September 20, 2000, 06:34:00 AM »
Saying something over a squad channel, or a private RW channel is something entirely different from spewing things out over channel 1 or 2.

It is starting to get ridiculous lately.

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« Reply #62 on: September 20, 2000, 07:13:00 AM »
Hey you diddlyin double moralists, i am free to use any words i want.
Freedom means more than carrying guns and sometimes you have to pay for the freedom.
You are free to ignore or retune this channel anytime if you get "offended"
Even Saddam used childs as shields, lol

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« Reply #63 on: September 20, 2000, 07:26:00 AM »
Macchi, in the U. S. we have freedom of speech, but that freedom carries responsibilites with it.  You cross the line when that freedom comes at the expense of others.

I. E. You can stand on a corner in any city in the U. S. (note: some cities require you get a permit) and preach any gospel you like, but if you start shouting profanity to the masses, you can become subject to fines and/or arrest.

I may be wrong, but I do not know of any city in the world where you could get away with this type of behaviour, without incurring some legal expense (financially or otherwise).


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« Reply #64 on: September 20, 2000, 07:41:00 AM »
I have to admit, the "F" word I can handle, and its easy to explain to any youngster looking over your shoulder that  someone that uses it consistently is of lower IQ since they cannot control themselves in a mixed crowd of folks they do not know personally...however, its the racist word (i.e. nigga, etc) that REALLY offend me...saw quite a bit of this on Monday nite.

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« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2000, 11:40:00 AM »
   
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Originally posted by Macchi:
Hey you f**kin double moralists, i am free to use any words i want.
Freedom means more than carrying guns and sometimes you have to pay for the freedom.
You are free to ignore or retune this channel anytime if you get "offended"
Even Saddam used childs as shields, lol

Macchi

I have no more idea of the internal politics of your country than you do of mine. For that reason I wouldn't generalize everyone with your address as a nazi- no more than you can reasonably classify me as a double-moralist.

BTW, I find your tone more offensive than the word you used.

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« Reply #66 on: September 20, 2000, 02:36:00 PM »
Because I know it's coming, let me head off the "I can cuss because it's my 1st Amnd Right!" posse.

"The only speech that is protected is protected speech."

What does that mean?  It means that the Courts or Congress can restrict speech if they feel it necessary.  It has to pass a balancing test.  

From law school Constitutional Law I:
- Does this law necessary?
- Does it serve a compelling state interest?
- Does the law reasonably accomplish the goals?

If those questions can be answered "yes", then you can regulate speech.

Same thing goes for this game.  Just like a resturant can refuse service to someone who doesn't have shoes, AH can prohibit or kick you out for using profanity.  The reason is they are not discriminating against you.  The rule is the same for everyone, regardless of color, nationality, sex, etc.

So don't say you have a 1st Amdn. right to cuss in AH.  You don't.  

(Side note): It is interesting to watch people preach responsibility in things like lawsuits and such, be the same that refuse to control themselves in something as silly as a game.  

And I will say this, watching a 60+ post on whether or not you should be allowed to type profanity on the common channel makes me happy I fly WB.  Yeah, we whine and squeak as much as you do, but at least the subjects aren't as ridiculous.  

You really have to be kidding me.  "I want to cuss and I don't care who I offend.  As a matter of fact, it offends me that you are offended by my behavior!  I can act any way I like and if it bothers you, #@$% off!"

*Sniff sniff*  What's that I smell?  Ahhh yes, community.  

*giggle*

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« Reply #67 on: September 20, 2000, 02:50:00 PM »
 
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And I will say this, watching a 60+ post on whether or not you should be allowed to type profanity on the common channel makes me happy I fly WB.  Yeah, we whine and squeak as much as you do, but at least the subjects aren't as ridiculous.  

*Sniff sniff*  What's that I smell?  Ahhh yes, community.  

*giggle*

Well, Dune, some like me are glad  you stay in WB's with your arrogance, since you have no idea what went on Monday afternoon, with a 2-week freebie account guy saying F this and Nigga that...so, when 150 people got a text buffer full of that, including watching HT dump the guy from the arena, the post was born.


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« Reply #68 on: September 20, 2000, 03:11:00 PM »
 
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Well, Dune, some like me are glad  you stay in WB's with your arrogance, since you have no idea what went on Monday afternoon, with a 2-week freebie account guy saying F this and Nigga that...so, when 150 people got a text buffer full of that, including watching HT dump the guy from the arena, the post was born.

Really Rip?  Hmm...wasn't it Taillights who said,
 
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Hmm Foul Languages.
I've been away from AH more than a half year, (well, since beta days,)
And before AH, I've flown in WB(handle was, -lyun-), Last month I've
registered AH and one thing I've feeling particular on radio is...
yes. I was thinking about posting the same Title ; Foul Languages.

It is far worse than anytime before.
it maybe just my feeling, but it seems that others also felt like this, too.

and Dago who said,

 
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I dont know why, but there seems to be a very big increase lately in the use of foul language in the game.
I almost always squelch Ch1 now, but I am seeing vulgar talk on the country channel much more than normal. In the last 24 hrs, I bet I have seen "fxxx" at least 5 - 10 times on country channel.

Hmm....it seems that other people feel that is more than just an isolated incident.  However, either way it does not change my opinion.  And this is the same type of thing that would drive me away from WB if it happened there.


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« Reply #69 on: September 20, 2000, 03:13:00 PM »
 
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Yeah, we whine and squeak as much as you do, but at least the subjects aren't as ridiculous.

Apparently Dune hasn't read the "Please do not put Peril's plan into the MA" thread on AGW yet. Ridiculous? hmph!

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« Reply #70 on: September 20, 2000, 03:21:00 PM »
Dune,
I look at this as the community openly debating what sort of standards it would like to adopt.  So it is not so much a waste of BBS space as it is a community negotiating and coming to a consensus in an open forum.

It is afterall only a year old (even though the vast majority of the players are not new to online sims, with alot from WB   ).

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« Reply #71 on: September 20, 2000, 05:50:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Dune:
And I will say this, watching a 60+ post on whether or not you should be allowed to type profanity on the common channel makes me happy I fly WB.  Yeah, we whine and squeak as much as you do, but at least the subjects aren't as ridiculous.  

*Sniff sniff*  What's that I smell?  Ahhh yes, community.  

*giggle*

Yes, Yes. Thank You Dune for pointing this out to us inferiors. After reading your reply, I thought I'd go over to AGW, and key myself into these cutting edge subjects on the BBS. I scrolled back over the last week to find the most popular subjects.

<drumroll please>

A refreshing positive thread about a new (er old as hell) subject...

#3 "Anti-LW conspiracy ?"  (73 replies)

Er, this game?...

#2 "Just tried AH 1.04" (80 replies)

Errr, this game again??...

#1 "AH playability v. WB" (84 replies)

Yes, we could learn a lot from our forefathers at AGW. If we would only listen to their wisdom.

 


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« Reply #72 on: September 20, 2000, 07:47:00 PM »
Dune, you must not have played WB that long.  We had the same problem there and even implemented a language filter at one time.



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« Reply #73 on: September 21, 2000, 09:38:00 AM »
FWIW, USAF squadrons come up with creative ways to deter pilots from swearing on the radio.  Once you say sh*t on the radio, you can't take it back, like cussing in front of your mother  

Penalties range from buying any controllers on that freq a case of beer to buying a keg for the squadron, or worse.  In 3 years of flying F-15E's, I remember only about 4 times when people cussed on the radio and each time anyone who heard it gave the perpetrator a bunch of good natured hassling.

If I recall correctly, 3 out of the 4 times involved something like:

Lead:  Are you ready yet 2?
Wing:  I can't get this piece of sh*t to work

Followed shortly by a dozen beeps on the radio as people hit the TONE button on their radios.




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« Reply #74 on: September 21, 2000, 09:48:00 AM »
Dozen beeps?!?  Wow! Thats alot of beer he bought!

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