PLANES U WOULD LIKE TO C IN AHII

[iwojima]

Some Specs for ya beans and i never said what type hehehe
and to tell you the truth i was mostly kidding

IAR-80 4 FN 7.92 guns in wings-50 built
IAR-80a 6 FN 7.92 guns-90 built
IAR-80b 4 FN 7.92 guns, 2 13.2mm cannon, new radio gea-31 built
IAR-81 6 FN 7.92 guns, 1 250kg {550 lb} C/L 4 50 kg. {110 lb} U/L-50 built
IAR-81a 4 FN 7.92 guns, 2 13.2 1 250kg {550 lb} C/L 4 50 kg. {110 lb} U/W-29 built
IAR-81b 2 20mm Oerlikon {MG FF}, 4 FN 7.92 2 drop tanks-50 built
IAR-81c 4 FN 7.92 guns, 2 20mm. Mauser MG 151 wing hard points-38 built

also.........
The I.A.R. 80's flying characteristics were reported to be excellent, highly maneuverable with heavy firepower. A pressurized cockpit was provided and there were several variants, the I.A.R. 81 was a dive-bomber and long-range fighter.

[hazed-]

I never asked for the 163 or me262 or arado or ta152 but i was glad i got those before some others like meteor or do335 or any of the weird and wonderfull types that didnt see action or id never heard of.The p61 happens to be one aircraft id never seen until seeingit on these boards. It didnt grab me so ive never wanted it.

Sure we like the rocket planes etc but they are hardly very usefull to us in day to day play.I just think id rather see normal fighters these days. I thought the komet was fun but given the choice id have taken a 190 varient ive never seen instead. Thats not to say i dont want other types too. I fly mainly LW but i also want to see allied stuff like a sherman tanks or P47N.Mossie versions and early p38s.

Before we got the Komet i thought they sounded great but now I use them so little i think they were a bit of a waste, lovely though some of them are!.
I look forward to more weird aircraft once we get a few more of the famous types which have big gaps at the moment.
early 190 and p38s
late war ju88 or other heavy he177 ju188 do 217
b24 early war
B25 many varients
halifax or wellington
Late P47 (N)
Late ju87 anti gv
Me410
some real early stuff like some of the biplanes above


Of course if the night time in AH was changed so that night fighters had a role that you couldnt perform with day fighters then id be all for the p61 and id also cry out for a ju88 or he219 but as they dont serve any role i find them all a bit pointless.

[Pei]

Originally posted by artik

USAF

P-80 - american operational jet fighter

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The P-80 was not operational in WWII. There wer 2 or three in Italy during 1945 for evaluation purposes but they were not assigned to operational units and they didn't see combat.

[Karnak]

Since AH2:ToD is going debut in a Western European setting I'd like to see these aircraft and ground vehicles:


United States
B-17F
B-26A
P-38F
P-38G
M4A3 (75mm)
M4A3 (76mm)

United Kingdom
Mosquito B.Mk IV
Mosquito B.Mk XVI
Mosquito NF.Mk XIX
Spitfire Mk VIII
Firefly (17pdr)

Germany
Bf109G-14
Bf110G-4
Bf109K-4
Fw190A-2
Ju52
Ju88G-7
SdKfz 251 Halftrack


I have tried to keep the list somewhat short and to maximize the reuse of both existing and newly added geometry.  Keeping the list to the Western European Theatre would allow HTC to provide a more immersive and richer initial AH2:ToD release.

[GScholz]

Pray we don't get the Yak-3. It will own the MA.

[hazed-]

Originally posted by GScholz
Pray we don't get the Yak-3. It will own the MA.

I think russian planes wont even be in the initial AH2 release.

I gusess they might encompass the russian front in their western front AH2 setup but if I got the right idea about what was announced they are going to concentrate on the US/UK vs axis side of the western battles.

This might mean they will keep italian aircraft and who knows maybe even add a few more?.

Heres some i think have to be added if we really want AH to resemble the real thing:

A B24 liberator has to be added when you think it flew the most bomber sorties of any of the heavies. We need some of the earlier 190s and very early P51s/P47s and P38s and we need to add some of the strange ideas the LW used like their sturm 190s and me410s with BK5 50mm etc.

We'd also need an allied Tank to match the panzer or to be matched against the panzer
so sherman or matilda or churchill or similar is needed.
You'd also need an axis paratroop aircraft and halftrack so Sdkf and ju52
Then you need to add maybe an axis armoured car(puma?), an axis heavy bomber (italian maybe?) and a few later versions of the ju88.

The thing with AH is we have a mass of different aircraft but no one theatre of operations has been covered fully. We have lots of western types but many crucial types arent there.The pacific planeset is much much better now but even that needs quite a few to fill it out. I mean whats the pacific without a douglas dauntless?? or a betty bomber?

Im hoping HTC will add a few but i suspect it might be a huge task just to redo the aircraft we have now.

[Karnak]

Hazed,

We already have the Douglas Dauntles.  Its a nice 1943 version that is well matched against our 1937 D3A1 "Val".

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by artik

USAF

P-80 - american operational jet fighter

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It never saw any combat service and by the time the US jet was ready, most prop planes in the ETO were just as fast, if not faster.  If we do get it, it would probably be the only non-perked jet fighter in the game.


Ack-Ack

[Beans101]

Originally posted by GScholz
The 163s first operational sortie was on the 16th of August 1944 intercepting B-17s. At the time of VE-Day on May 8th 1945 the 163 had seen 10 months of service. The fact that they only scored nine confirmed victories does not mean they saw little action.

The 262 became operational with Erprobungskommando 262 (EKdo262), III./ZG 26 in April of 1944 and scored its first victory of a Mosquito on July 26, 1944. By the time of VE-Day on May 8th 1945 the 262 had seen 13 months of service with the LW.

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Actually GScholz, the 163 saw little service when comparing them to the P38 or P51, LIKE I SAID IF U WOULD HAVE READ IT RIGHT!!  But its ok, and the 163 may have seen many months of action, but pilots who flew them rarely even made it to the bomber groups due to bad plastics and rubbers made in that era.  The plastics would deteriorate from the corrosive fuel it was carrying.  Therefore it would kill the pilot even b4 the pilot reached the planes!!  Which is another reason that the 163 scored so few kills.  As a whole only a FEW NUMBERED pilots even dared to fly it.

Second, the 262 (AGAIN) saw little service when comparing them to the P38 or P51.  Yes they were made and flew early, but they didnt have enuf raw materials or metal to make the jet engines, so the planes just sat on runways (only the frames) rotting in the sun.  So u were right if u were saying there were many made or if u were saying they saw many months of fighting.  BUT u were wrong if u were saying many flew, because many were made but only a fraction of them even got off the ground.  UNLIKE THE P38 and P51!!!!!!!!!!!!

BEANS101 OUT!!!

[Beans101]

Originally posted by XtrmeJ

Originally posted by devious
German:
DEVIOUS, Listen to this man!! There is 1 plane in particular on his wishlist that is my main choice to see!! The 190D-11!!!!  But.. Since few were made and used mainly my only one squad (JV44 Wurger Staffel) it is almost certain we wont see it .  But if it somehow manages to find its way into AH2 you can DEFFENETLY expect to see me around for a long time HTC! And ill go recruit some more customers for you. LW FOREVER!

XtrmeJ, i dont wanna burst ur bubble but LW SUCKS!!!  LOL jk man, no u just say LW Forever, because u havent flown the american planes much, like the P51 or P38 .  Once u start flying those, u will b a believer just like i am now!!

<> XtrmeJ

BEANS101 OUT!!

[Beans101]

Originally posted by hazed-

We'd also need an allied Tank to match the panzer or to be matched against the panzer

NOW Hazed, i think we can finally agree on something.  I think the M36 tank killer w/a 90mm gun would b a KILLER hehe.  Or another spectacular choice would b the M60.  Both are a spectacular choice when picking a tank to combat the strength of the Tiger or Panzer.

Then you need to add maybe an axis armoured car(puma?)
But im sorry to say it.  THIS IS DUMB, what purpose would an armored car do in this game.  It is lightly armored, an M16 could probably kill it, and it has poor defensive weapons.  The only good i can see in this case is being something like the M3 for a troop carrier.  Anyhow, an armored car sounds dumb to me.

BEANS101 OUT!!

[GScholz]

Come on Beans, what the hell are you talking about? No 163 ever had an operational accident involving engine explosion in the air. Some had accidents on the ground though. The reason they shot so few bombers down was because they were just too fast to use their guns effectivly, much like the 262. Thats why the Germans started using the 50mm mortars instead at the very end of the war. 364 Me163's flew operationally, and many of them were actually shot down as they glided for home.

A total of 1433 Me262 were delivered to the Luftwaffe complete with engines. The fact that the LW also deployed the Ar234 which used the same engines as the 262 sugests that there were engines available. Several 262 were actually servicable on VE-Day, and were flown to England by allied pilots.

3923 P-38L's were made in WWII.


On you blatant but jokingly slight at LW iron: I've seen your stats and they are rather impressive, but they more reflect your flying style and/or skill. Interestingly your most succesfully flown plane is the Nikki, a plane I find very easy to fight in LW planes. The P-51 and P-38 were both good planes, but there were compromises made that really make them rather average performers. The F6F is the US plane I have the most respect for in AH, I can't even remember the last time a P-51D got me, I think a B got me this tour though. I do remember the last time a P-38 got me though, it was Hooligan, and AKAK before that. What I'm trying to say is once a pilot learns the pros and cons of LW iron it takes a good stick to beat em in a P-51 or a P-38. I see your newfound love is the F4U-1C, a plane I find quite enjoyable to fight. These days it's the Russian and sometimes British hardware that proves the greatest challenges in the MA.

If you're interested I'll be happy to hand you your donut in a duel. I'll fly a LW prop-fighter, and you'll fly whatever US iron you want.

[GScholz]

Interestingly, of the 440 kills you have so far in this tour only 12 were Fw's and only 4 D9's. Also you got only 4 109G10's. Hmmmmm.

[hazed-]

Me262 flew more combat sorties and shot more aircraft down and were produced in greater numbers than the F4UC.

For that matter the 163 probably comes close to matching the F4Uc. I dont see Allied types saying anything about us having that in AH.


Beans? the armoured car is pointless? we have an allied M8 armoured car so why not have the axis counterpart? thepuma was faster and fielded a 50mm gun which makes it a far better choice than the M8 we have.
True Id rather have a light tank but then things become unballanced again meaning the allies would need a similar light tank.The puma was purely so both sides have a fast armoured scout.

As for your choice of M60 you must be crazy, It had a terrible open turret configeration that would mean your m60 is totally exposed to aircraft mg's of even the smallest caliber.
A matchup or match for the panzer 4 not a totally different m60 please!
M36 with the 90mm was incedibly rare and would have to be perked i think to stop it being used constantly to kill tigers.No one will use a tiger if it costs 50 perks and anyone can kill it for free with a quick m36 spawn.

We need the sherman M4 which although far less effective as a tank it was the most common type on the battlefields of Europe.
We need a tank with 75mm or 76mm or similar FIRST.Then we can think about tanks like the m60. M60 would be useless in all scenarios apart from very late war ones which again makes it a poor choice. One thing I think AH should always reflect is the fact that generally the Germans fielded the most advanced tanks of their day but the fielded them in very small numbers.Tanks like the tiger were far in advance of the allied tanks it generally faced but it was outnumbered.AH arenas need to reflect this and it seems HTC have given it a perk cost to reflect this.
If we do get the sherman i would say it should be free to use whereas the panzerIV should have a small cost(in scenarios etc) to reflect availability.What we need to have is large numbers of allied sherman tank platoons facing smaller numbers of panzers.That would be more similar to the real battles at least.I liked one persons idea of having a sherman formation so you get 3 tanks to use like the bombers whereas the panzer would not get this.when you fire the other 2 drones take a pot shot at your target with you

If HTC skips the common allied tanks and adds a very late war allied tank with a better than 88mm gun I think id stop using the GV's altogether. Ive no interest in simulating a totally unreal battlefield. I want to see similar stuff to games like panzer commander and the best game ever made 'sherman m4' hehe. it was such a basic game but it was the first time i played a computer game that simulated the tank we all built as models when we were kids.Later we can add the firefly or similar but please at first lets have the most produced tank of them all.

Does anyone else see HTC adding russian planes before some of those on karnaks list?
I would be suprised if they did.Theres so few russian aircraft at the moment that in order to fully simulate the russian front they would need to add loads of aircraft we currently dont have.

The western front has the most aiircraft covered. I'd guess this is where they will concentrate their efforts and that might even mean the russian and japanese aircraft are the last models to be updated in AH2.

I justhad a horrible thought. Are HTC going to have AH2 Tod a proper axis vs allies setup? God i hope they are! If it is setup like a 3 country war with any side using any aircraft I think that will be the final straw for me. I couldnt stand a career mode set up with 109s shooting down ju88s!

[Swager]

I want same planes but some of the artwork re-done on them.