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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2003, 01:15:59 PM »
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Of cource the economy is the fault of the gvt and the dems.

Look at it...California has the highest minimum wage, utility rates, worker's compensation premiums, overtime restrictions, air quality requirements, and sales tax in the US.


In the public sector, every government agency is facing big job cuts because of the budget mess. Meanwhile, in the private sector, jobs are being lost left and right. And there is nothing strange with that, because given a choise, why would any sane company want to open a business in a state with such a punishing environment for private workers? Where would any corporate CEO look first when seeking to close plants due to high costs?

You have to create the wealth first before you bicker about sharing it. The Democrats frequently forget this inconvenient little detail.

The Democrats control 60% of the California Assembly and 60% of the Senate. They also hold all eight state elected offices. They've dominated the legislature forever, and have held the Governer's mansion for 5 years. In that time they have so botched the economy that sales tax revenue in San Francisco has fallen 50% in two years.

I'll repeat. California has the highest level of sales tax, the highest minimum wage, the most restrictive overtime rules, the highest electric rates, the largest budget deficit, the worst bond rating, and the highest worker's compensation premiums in the US. At some companies, worker's comp exceeds payroll as an expense. Talk about encouraging layoffs and discouraging employment.

If you're a business owner, what part of this is good news? How would this encourage you to expand your business? And without business expansion, how are tax revenues generated? How is unemployment brought down?

(California is a bit like Sweden in the way they are committing economical suicide)


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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2003, 01:19:30 PM »
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Thats because Texas realy is the center,therefore our view is perfectly valid :)


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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2003, 01:23:22 PM »
From the point of view of a Repulican in California.   Davis is a moron, he was a moron as state controller, he is a moron now and needs the boot.  However if we end up with that psycho biatch Fienstien, we are in even more trouble.   Same goes for old whats his name, the formor mayor of LA ,he is just a Dem in Rep clothing.  I think California is going to be the first state to out law guns altogether.  I will be moving when that happens and so will most of the people that keep this state alive despite the dems best efforts to make it a welfare state.   I am trying my best to start the segragation of northern California movement again.   I don't want anything to do with any part of California from Sacatomato south.   We should make Redding our capitol and live happily ever after.

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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2003, 01:23:51 PM »
Recalls Are for Cars, Not California Governors
When did the Target parking lot replace the voting booth?
     
By Bill Maher
Los Angeles Times

Thursday 24 July 2003

     New rule: No do-overs. Once you elect an official, unless he runs off with public funds or gets caught with kiddie porn, you're stuck with him.

     He's the governor, not some dude you married in Las Vegas.

     What's going on here in California, if you're lucky enough to not have been following this, is that the economy turned, so we're getting rid of the governor. But what if we drive him out of office and the economy still doesn't get better? I guess we'll have to burn him. And if that doesn't work, we'll kill his dog.

     Yes, in baseball when the team stinks, you fire the manager. But you don't fire him because it rains. And you don't let the opposing team choose a new manager for you.

     And you don't fire him between innings. And replace him with a Viennese weightlifter.

     Here's why the economy turned: The dot-com bubble burst. (Obviously on the orders of Gray Davis.) The airline industry collapsed. (Just as Gray Davis planned.) We fought two wars. (Playing right into Gray Davis' hands.) And Dick Cheney's friends at Enron "gamed" the energy market and ripped off the state for billions.

     So you can see the problem: Gray Davis.

     And the obvious solution: A Viennese weightlifter. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Finally, a candidate who can explain the Bush administration's positions on civil liberties in the original German.

     But there are still a lot of Democrats with sour grapes over the last presidential election, and they're not collecting petitions to replace George Bush with Bernie Mac.

     Now, I'm not saying that I like Davis. Being enthusiastic about Davis would be like saying your favorite food is straw. But he fought for his country in Vietnam and won a fair election, and he's entitled to his term.

     Maybe he's a lousy governor, but he was the one elected by voters who bothered to show up at the polls. Their efforts shouldn't be undone by disgruntled shoppers signing a petition on their way out of Target.

     Anyone who thinks this recall is some great affirmation of democracy should review early American history. This is precisely the kind of direct involvement by the howling masses that the framers wanted to avoid.

     But, hey, let's have the recall. And then the people who voted for Davis can have a recall and put him back in. And then we can throw him out again. It works well in Italy.

     And it'll really help the state economy, too, when investors realize our political system is on par with Belize.

     Oh, and a recall election will cost the state up to $35 million. Money we would otherwise just waste on schools and roads. And we'll still have to have a regular election in March.

     But this really isn't about elections at all. This is about a congressman named Darrell Issa, a Republican car alarm magnate who wants to be governor and has spent $1.5 million of his own money to fund the recall effort.

     Think about that as the silver lining the next time a car alarm wakes you up in the middle of the night.

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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2003, 01:24:36 PM »
Hortlund's facts abou dem majority in all branches, along w/ rediculous policy and a 40% increase in spending is to blame for the Ca economy.  Sandman is a leftist whacko, with no basis in logic.
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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2003, 01:28:31 PM »
Why not just wait for the next election.

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And the obvious solution: A Viennese weightlifter. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Finally, a candidate who can explain the Bush administration's positions on civil liberties in the original German.


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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2003, 01:31:39 PM »
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Why not just wait for the next election.

Because the Kalifornia constitution allows recalls based on voter disgruntlement, and Kalifornians hate Day Gravis.

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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2003, 01:34:04 PM »
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Here...take a listen from a Cali resident:)


He's also a former San Diego Mayor that resigned in disgrace after being convicted of 13 felonies.

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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2003, 01:35:14 PM »
Well, that just goes to show why Bill Maher's show got canned... lol

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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2003, 02:10:13 PM »
I dunno, I've watched and read a lot about this and am on the opposite coast....but if I lived there, I'd be pretty upset at what's been reported...registering vehicles cost 3x as much, bloated government, etc etc...

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« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2003, 02:11:02 PM »
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Well, that just goes to show why Bill Maher's show got canned... lol


Nope, Maher and Davis are both Doctorates in political suicide.

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« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2003, 02:23:38 PM »
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Hortlund's facts abou dem majority in all branches, along w/ rediculous policy and a 40% increase in spending is to blame for the Ca economy.  Sandman is a leftist whacko, with no basis in logic.


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« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2003, 02:30:00 PM »
I knew that...

What I was trying to subtly say is this quote

"So you can see the problem: Gray Davis.

And the obvious solution: A Viennese weightlifter. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Finally, a candidate who can explain the Bush administration's positions on civil liberties in the original German"


Makes him look like an prettythanghat, even if he was trying to be funny.

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« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2003, 02:41:19 PM »
Bill Maher called the 9/11 highjackers "heros", he should be deported.

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« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2003, 02:43:07 PM »
Actually Mahr hit the nail on the head. MARIA! Pack the Hummer! This will make Ventura look like Einstein.
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