I just don't get this?

[Dowding]

The La-5FN and La-7 are NOT LaGG fighters (as in the early war junk).

Try www.google.com  and do a bit research.

[FlyingDuckSittingSwan]

Where as it seems the AH ubb and community is getting an unexpected and unwarranted weekly visit from a member of the WWII-aviation ignorant, flight-physics challenged and social skills inept troll crowd these days.

 And yes     What Vermillion said. 100%.

 But doesn't it feel nice to degrade and textual abuse someone when they ask so badly for it?    

 Westy

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You're just paranoid. I don't have WW2 Online. I wish I did, but it's not even available here in the UK and I don't order over the internet from overseas companies.
As a matter of fact I sent an e-mail to Playnet the other day saying instead of laying off members of the CRS dev team, why don't they do a world-wide release in order to get extra income? I also wrote in my e-mail that if I didn't find the game in the UK shops for christmas, I recommend they sack all the marketing/distribution department. I've been waiting since June to play that damn game and I'm getting tired but I won't buy it over the net. Especially now that the future for them is a bit iffy.

But what you say is pure paranoia

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[K West]

"But what you say is pure paranoia"

 No it's not. It's purely derogatory and sarcastic. And all deservedly yours  

 Westy

[Hangtime]

Pyemia: Being an experienced virtual fighter pilot (almost exclusively AXIS fighters) I can tell very quickly whether a particular FM is modeled correctly. I can assure you the AXIS planes are undermodeled whilst the Allied planes seem to be triple water injected, TnB demons.  

LOL! Since I'm feeling laz(y) today, I'll use Laz's perfect riposte'..

 

Help me figure this one out... Do LW planes cause arrogant, pompous, deluded and insecure people to gravitate toward them or... Does flying LW planes cause people to become arrogant, pompous, deluded and insecure? In all my years of flight sims, I have never figured this one out. I admit it..... I am stumped.
lazs

Pye, say bye.

[Qnm]

Cue Pyemia :


Having recently downloaded the Aces High download (Repetition!) and installed it (duh), I must say I am extremely disappointed. (relax, I am playing with your starchiness. Serious from now on.)
Although I can see that the programmers have tried their best to incorporate many of the winning elements of WW2ONLINE and Warbirds / Air Warrior I feel they have fallen short of the mark. Sounds like bias.
Everyone has their own tastes, this is not your game maybe? But it seems this is a premature conclusion on your part; nothing you couldn’t change further down the road.
Firstly I(yes, “you”…) have found a lack of cohesiveness. The primary elements do not meld into a single immersive game but seem to float like so much flotsom, never really bridging into each other but rather, glaringly opposing each other like medievil knights. (soundslike you must be used to superprodction blockbusters, like the overpolished, ultra-revised down to the fraction of a pixel games from huge businesses (Sierra, Blizzard…) and the like (in the flight sim zoo for example, the opposite could be X-plane), or others where the developing house is rich and large.
 Quake III or not, HTC are only a few. Have you thought of the advantages of this arrangement? If you had, you might have seen them and the good they do.)  This is frighteningly(whoa   obviously when one consideres the bomber / fighter or fighter bomber / vehicle elements. (Example?)
Yes, but so what? This is a sim,to the small details of its function, not fashion, keeping this qualitywhile producing tenfold is not something they (all 5+ of them) can do as quick as other bigger “developing houses”, and besides, it’s a sim, not a 2.99$ love novel, no need for elevator music filler.
Secondly the graphics while at first seemingly passable (Yes, a clear picture has no noise)begin to wear at the seams the longer one studies them.(You are saying you are bored already? That’s not what to say if you were approaching this with an appreciative, open mind.)..In a pixel by pixel (you are looking too close, step back a few strides, no need for the magnifying glass)comparison with games like Air Warrior / Fighter Ace / Warbirds (Yes again: these areOther games, with other interests. Extraordinary Graphics; while great for insertion, are not AH’s prime .), the latter games’ FPSThis depends on a few things, for example what else needs to be modeled…Physical model calculations? are much higherFPS is inversly proportional to C/GPU workload, aside Phy./Gfx. Engines efficiency while still providing superior graphics engines In other words, good polishand in this authors opinion, a much improved and pleasant interface. That’s too bad, you should see the amount of input the game gives you is what’s important; and besides, who cares for overdone eye candy?This is a sim.
Thirdly, the gameplay? where is it?
What do you mean? You sound lost. (Too small) a questin () answer... :\
It's there, maybe you are not wearing the correct glasses to see it is (and how) present AH.

Fourth - The flight models seem very simplistic(Exageration) compared with games like IL2, FA, and even Warbirds and and?Air Warrior (You took it too far there..I haven’t played them, except for WB. I am ready to bet -eyes closed-, something big; after being in this game and “community” for ~ a year, that this sim is one of if not the most believable(if not accurate) MMOFlightSimulations at the moment, in terms of overall physics modeling.)  In many cases an AH aircraft will perform amazing manuevers while another will seriously underperform to the point which make its unflyable?[/b] (For example?…”Unflyable is another hint from you that you give up too easily and blame this (lack of patience/skill/open-mindedness) I give you the Macchi 202 vs the Spitfire V. In real life the Macchi had a hugely acute turning advantage over the Spitfire V. [/b](…if you say so…) I (note the “I”) find(“find” proof? Details on how you went about testing? etc) this is not modeled in Aces High. Similarly the BF 109 series being defeated constantly by the LaGG series of aircraft is horrendously laughable. [/b](False. The G10 when compared to the rest of the planeset, for example, is lethal, period. If flown right. You probably did not.  Aparte- “Horrendously laughable”? You are twisted or what?   )
Finally I think sounds should be customizable [/b](they are)and the map while providing useful information[/b](It does) should be removable. [/b](it is) I'm sure WW2 pilots didn't fly around with a large map placed on their windshields. [/b](who knows? For certain a WWII pilot would feel more familiar in AH than in WWIIONLINE)
All in all I (“I”)give Aces High a score of 3 out of 10. I would like to know why I should pay my 15 hard earned dollars for this program.
If what yo usay were true,I don’t know either, considering the pessimism in your critic, but if you are this bitterly unapreciative, this BBS probably is better off without so much as 15 bytes of text from you.[/i]
Perhaps (eye of the beholder again)[/i] the community here is good, all i've seen so far however is (precedes a generalisation [/i] a lot of whining and childish namecalling. Prime example of it. This is a web-based game “community”, it is mostly american, …etc… you eat what you are.[/i]

My first thought when meeting someone new: "what have they got that I can take away from them?"(no comment)[/b]


And then, what Sires Skuzzy, Vermillion, and Flossy said.

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[Pongo]

The map being open really hurts your frame rates.
If your 109 expertise is based on years of combating the Lagg 3 then the capabilities of the LA5fn and LA7 might be as supprising to you as they were to your LW forefathers in 1943-44
HT the developer of this game is just a web page developer compared to the guy who programmed Warbirds. He knows it and we know it. He does the best he can walking in the footsteps of the genius who developed Warbirds.
The gameplay is very hard for some people to understand. But then so is chess. And snakes and ladders.

The game will only improve to a point where it is playable with the contribution of experts like yourself.

[mrsid2]

In RL you would be able to obtain updates via the radio and thru wingmen.  

Umm.. what stop you from doing that in Aces High? You have the radio and if you get friends, you have the wingmen too.

 

Graphics are subjective, but for the most part I find AH superior to FA and WB 2.77.
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I must disagree with you here, while AW and WB graphics are similiar to AH, AH takes a huge FPS hit. Almost to the point of unplayability.

 

What fps hit? I know people who play this game with ancient voodoo+P2 350 systems. My computer runs it around 100fps 1024x768x32.. I wouldn't complain.


 

2) Bombers are useless. I flew almost 1 1/2 hours, obtained a altitude of 35000 ft and dropped a stick of 14 bombs on a base. When I returned later the base was fully repaired. In addition to this bombers seem to be killed extremely easily.  

I disagree, maybe you won't be able to end the war alone in one bomber - you need friends to do that. A skilled buff pilot can hold his own well enough against fighers especially up high. For a newbie it will of course be more difficult.

 

3)There seems to be no organization at all, everybody fly's around firing stupidly without any sort of strategic objective.

Ok show me even one airwar-MMOG that has it any better..

 

4) There doesn't seem to be any sort of forward bullet deflection which was used to great success any other great online flight sims. This makes front quarter attacks more frequent and probably even encourages them.
 

Forward bullet deflection.. meaning? Gunnery is pretty much the same with any other flight sim I've played, of course there are individual features to all - however who'se to say which one got it right? And I have not seen a bullet deflection that would make frontal shots impossible or even hard, it's a matter of adjusting and learning mostly. At least in WB frontal shots were just as easy as in here.. I killed numerous enemies by sliding down from front high position and flipping my plane to side with rudder to make a snapshot - in WB where it was even easyer than here. That shot left the enemy not having a gun solution while I had a shot while passing over him.

Sounds like you posted your post without really studying the game and let your prejudice take over.

[Raubvogel]

hehehehe

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[Raubvogel]

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[funkedup]

Being an experienced virtual fighter pilot (almost exclusively AXIS fighters) I can tell very quickly whether a particular FM is modeled correctly

Nice troll!!!

[Animal]

LOLOL nice pic Raub  
Did you draw that yourself?

[FlyingDuckSittingSwan]

One of the best things about this game is you get to shoot down the grumpy old folks who frequent this board.
I can just imagine their dentures fly out in disgust as they go down in a spiralling fireball.
Even funnier when you hear them moan: "I thought you were out of E, where did you get enough to follow me in a zoom?"
Just answer "DEAD MEN DON'T TALK!!...so shudup!" or something like that. Then remind them those are incontinence diapers they are wearing. Not baby ones.  

Having a discussion on this board feels the same way this donkey feels:
   
going nowhere!

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[Pyemia]

Its quite obviously this is going nowhere by the negative and confrontational tone of the majority here.  

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If your 109 expertise is based on years of combating the Lagg 3 then the capabilities of the LA5fn and LA7 might be as supprising to you as they were to your LW forefathers in 1943-44
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I'm fully aware of the capabilities of the LaGG series of fighters.  It is my opinion however (supported by data and history) that the BF's and FW's were an equal match.

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HT the developer of this game is just a web page developer compared to the guy who programmed Warbirds. He knows it and we know it. He does the best he can walking in the footsteps of the genius who developed Warbirds.
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It may be possible for me to have a chat to some of the key figures at WB HQ.  I may well be able to provide some pointers / tips for Hitech?


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The game will only improve to a point where it is playable with the contribution of experts like yourself.
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I agree, its good to see there are people who have the capability to discuss rather then confront.  Thank You.


I do play in the Main Arena and spend some time in the Training Arena as well.  I recently practiced some dogfighting in the training arena with Betown, who is a Trainer there.

I have never flown a warbird personally however my grandfather was a maintenance technician with 10./JG 2 (Bf 109F-4's.) 1942.
So obviously I know quite a bit more then mere computer flight sim enthusiasts.    

See you in the MA, better check 6!!!!

"knowlege is power"

 

[Kingonads]

I am just  tring to figure out what he means by US planes being water injected monsters.... I dont see it I have to REALY fight to kill a good 190 pilot in my P47D11 or in my F6F as for 109s if they R flown right they give me a hella time to, and the 109s have more WEP than any plane in the game thus far.  

  I am sorry newcomer but your statement about being a advid axis pilot and fling them in alot of flightsims so U can tell if they r modeled wrong is well like saying "I play alot of online fighting games and I know martial arts because of it" unless U have actualy flown a 109 or any WWII fighter then U will never know what the FM is supposed to be, need I remind everyone in the community that every, YES EVERY pilot who flies thinks his plane is the best, he has to think that way if he doesnt then he will fail regardless what his plane can and can not do.  

     BTW a C202 can out turn a Spit 5 with proper E management I have done it and I have had it done to me.

   Lastly No two flightsims are the same each has its strengths and its weaknesses.

My only complaint about AH is I dont like the tracers as they R now I would rather have tracers like the ground ack with out the grey lines behind them just he glowing bullet no trail, it would make aiming a whole lot easier for me.  

   Well good luck in what ever deision U make I could honestly careless weather U stay or go cause its your choice but before U start throwing rocks make sure U R not standing in a glass house.

                            L. Hodo

[mrsid2]

Btw my grandpa was also a fighterplane maintenance technician during wartime in FAF. He even gave me blueprints of aircraft when I was 4 years old - I didn't see the value then and traded them for some toys. What an idiot I was.. My mothers uncle was a fighter pilot during WW2 and got shot down by AAA over karelia.

However that doesn't make me any more expert on any WW2 fighter.

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