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« Reply #135 on: September 30, 2003, 01:12:44 PM »
OK everybody...take a deep breath. It's only a game. If it's good play it, if it sucks take up golf...

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« Reply #136 on: September 30, 2003, 05:49:02 PM »
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« Reply #137 on: September 30, 2003, 06:36:19 PM »
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Originally posted by whels
guys remember, the trail ur talking about in RL isnt really a smoke trail as much as a contrail.  the bullet is HOT and the air it is passing through is VERY cold, as the bullet travels it leave the contail much like high flying planes do with thier engine exhaust.

u wont see the trail shooting guns on the ground cause the air
is ALOT warmer then @ 30k.

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All I know about smoke trails is what my dad has told me; which is there weren't any.  

Once, however, in practice the conditions were right for contrails, which were a significantly better method of tracking rounds.  They had some fool (probably a Marine) towing a target, which the student gunners would shoot at.  Each student had bullets with different colored paint on them, so when they hit the target some of the paint would rub off and they could count who had how many hits.

Dad, being (oddly enough) a lot like me used the contrails to aim his fire at the tow wire.  Sure enough, the wire parted, the target fell, and practice was over for the day.  When they checked the wire it was his color (blue) that separated it.  I guess he didn't enjoy being ice cold and cramped in his Emerson turret at o'dark hundred when he was 18.

He once commented he had about 20 hours in the B29 and entirely TOO MANY hours in a B24.  I'd pay money to do something he learned to hate...of course the deal is nobody is allowed to shoot at me...
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« Reply #138 on: September 30, 2003, 09:18:49 PM »
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I reserve judgment till i see the game in action.
When ever that will be;)


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« Reply #139 on: September 30, 2003, 10:30:36 PM »
LOL! That's it .... I'm gonna continue to fly with tracers off. Just so wondering if what I'm seeing isn't perfectly depicted or not doesn't drive me to techno-nerdism. :D

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« Reply #140 on: October 01, 2003, 12:26:34 AM »
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^  Bettin there is a full bag of clubs sittin at the bottom of some lake with Arlo's name tag on it :D


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« Reply #141 on: October 01, 2003, 12:32:46 AM »
Not a full bag. Ahem.

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« Reply #142 on: October 01, 2003, 02:11:35 AM »
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Originally posted by whels
guys remember, the trail ur talking about in RL isnt really a smoke trail as much as a contrail.  the bullet is HOT and the air it is passing through is VERY cold, as the bullet travels it leave the contail much like high flying planes do with thier engine exhaust.

u wont see the trail shooting guns on the ground cause the air
is ALOT warmer then @ 30k.

whels


whels,  sorry M8 you are wrong this one, you will see smoke from the tracer rounds,

check this film, I would say they are about 150-200 feet of the deck.
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« Reply #143 on: October 01, 2003, 03:43:58 AM »
The following link includes some films that clearly indicate the spiral smoke/contrails.

Actual Gun Cam Footage

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« Reply #144 on: October 01, 2003, 12:13:32 PM »
Heater, why does it seem the shells are detonating around the airframe?  I'm seeing shells contact the plane with obvious parts flying off and large flashes... but there are also smaller detonations and flashes slightly above the right wing.

I know some 20mm had fuses, but the distance between both aircraft looks awfully short.  After how many seconds were typical exploding shells supposed to ignite?
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« Reply #145 on: October 01, 2003, 12:34:29 PM »
After watching it again, I'm thinking those shells missed their target and are a lot further in front of the enemy aircraft.  

The angle gives a strange false illusion of depth.  It appears small explosions are very close, just above the right wing... when in reality they're larger explosions far off :)

ahh yes..
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« Reply #146 on: October 01, 2003, 12:42:29 PM »
Octavius,

I think those air bursts are from small caliber flak. At least they look like flak bursts.

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« Reply #147 on: October 01, 2003, 12:50:48 PM »
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The following link includes some films that clearly indicate the spiral smoke/contrails.

Actual Gun Cam Footage


 Actual gun cam footage showing spiral smoke trails that look very much like HT trails. That cant be say it aint so all these guys that have never flown or shot wwII vintage aircraft nor amunition saying that they didnt have spiral trails are all talk and no walk cant be true. The guncam footage is obviously incorrect its fake it has to be.
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« Reply #148 on: October 01, 2003, 07:03:08 PM »
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Sorry I just read the forum.
Correct me if I am wrong which of course I probably am but werent the tracers in ww2 just wood solid or hollow tips? I thought that when the shell came out of the barrel the wood started to smoke and the rifling in the barrel made the bullet spin making the spiral effect? It is what I have always thought, if I am wrong PLEASE correct me. Id like to know how it works.
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« Reply #149 on: October 02, 2003, 12:38:08 AM »
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Originally posted by whels
guys remember, the trail ur talking about in RL isnt really a smoke trail as much as a contrail.  the bullet is HOT and the air it is passing through is VERY cold, as the bullet travels it leave the contail much like high flying planes do with thier engine exhaust.

u wont see the trail shooting guns on the ground cause the air
is ALOT warmer then @ 30k.

whels

Only read the first part of the thread so forgive me if this has been commented on...

Contrails are caused by water vapour condensing in cold air.  This occurs because cold air cannot support as much water vapour as hot air.  Pour water vapour (which is invisible) out of an exhaust at high alt and the cold air cannot support the excess moisture so it condenses into water droplets (which is visible as a contrail).

A hot dry bullet does not add any moisture to the air and thus will not cause condensation and hence it will not form contrails.  The trails behind bullets must be smoke from the burning tracer material.

On the other hand, supersonic shock waves around the bullets can form temporary trails of condensation because of the pressure changes taking place (much like condensation that trails behind a wing when a plane if flying on a humid day) but they aren't contrails...

Anyway, who cares.  Spiral tracer smoke looks cool, nuff said.  :cool:
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