Author Topic: First overt Israeli military action vs. Syrian territory 2 decades (Read 2268 times)

SaburoS · « **Reply #75 on:** October 06, 2003, 06:04:22 AM »

Man, ~S~! Grunherz, Thrawn, and Nashwan (hope I didn't forget anyone as it's late/early.)

Grunherz, Rip was right about you, we're in good hands

Thanks, man.

Nashwan · « **Reply #76 on:** October 06, 2003, 08:05:19 AM »

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Just trying to see where this is all headed and what might be the path of least resistance or bloodshed.

The path of least resistance and bloodshed is to remove the settlers (some or all), and establish a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza strip.

That's the solution that's backed by almost every country in the world, including the United States. It's backed by the main oposition party in Israel, and even Sharon says it's the plan he's working to.

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Isn't that what the Palestinians want from the Israelis? For some of them to leave their homes and relocate?

The more moderate Palestinian leaders want the Israeli settlers out, so that they can establish a state. The more extreme, like Hamas, want to destroy Israel totaly.

The majority of the settlers have been in place for 10 years or less, the vast majority for less than 20 years.

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I guess you could call what the Palestinians are trying to do ethnic cleansing. In fact, they are the only ones doing any ethnic cleansing in that area, right?

Not really. Under international law, the Israeli settlements are unlawfull. Wanting to remove them is about as much like ethnic cleansing as America deporting illegal immigrants.

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Tell me what happens when Israel goes to war with say Syria and/or another middle eastern country and the Palestinians decide to take advantge and begin more open attacks?

They cannot begin more open attacks. Their heaviest weapons are a few rpgs. They have no army.

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Of course the Palestinians hate the Israelis. That's what I said. Do you think the Palestinians will ever stop their bombing as long as there are Jews in Jerusalem?

Yes.

With statehood comes responsibility, wether they like it or not.

I have no doubt some Palestinian groups will want to continue a terrorist campaign against Israel, but I have no doubt a Palestinian government will have to clamp down on them for it's own sake.

It pretty much happened the same way in Lebanon, and unlike the PLO, Hezbollah are an Islamic movement, and so less likely to agree to peace with Israel.

Of course, a clearly defined border, with proper border controls, will make it very difficult for terrorists to cross, even if the Palestinians on the other side were not cracking down on them.

takeda · « **Reply #77 on:** October 06, 2003, 09:29:26 AM »

Escalation can only help the nutters in the Israeli ultra right-wing in their push for "greater Israel".

An open war between Syria-Lebannon and Israel would be a walk in the park for the Israelis and might just set the stage for yet another "voluntary" mass exodus of palestinians into Jordania and Egypt.

I would not put this kind of machiavellism beyond thugs like Efraim Eitam & Co.

Eagler · « **Reply #78 on:** October 06, 2003, 09:37:23 AM »

now the US should veto Syria's latest UN whine

again - WTG Israel !

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #79 on:** October 06, 2003, 10:59:12 AM »

we got confirmation it was a terrorist camp or is he just being a party drone?

Hortlund · « **Reply #80 on:** October 06, 2003, 11:19:20 AM »

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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
we got confirmation it was a terrorist camp or is he just being a party drone?

Yeah, the Israelis said it was a terrorist camp. They know these things. What kind of confirmation were you looking for anyway?

Syrian? "Yeah, it was one of our terrorist camps"..?

Rude · « **Reply #81 on:** October 06, 2003, 11:26:24 AM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
Relocation is more humane than saying that's it and responding in full force to the war that's been declared and is being waged by the Palestinians.

Iron.....

No other Arab country want's the palestinians....imo, the conflict serves their interests perfectly...keeps the focus off of them and onto Isreal.

The palestinians are being used by other Arab countries to perform their work against Isreal all while those same countries fund this conflict from a distance.

The only solution will come by this and this alone...Armageddon.

Charon · « **Reply #82 on:** October 06, 2003, 11:40:54 AM »

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CNN made a big fuss about something pretty small.
The attack was made IMO to put some pressure on Assad. It worked when the IAF attacked two Syrian radar stations in Lebanon - Suddenly the Hizballa went quite. There was also a more "personal" messege delivered by the IAF to Assad about a month or two ago. I'm not sure what and if was published in international media.

why now? I don't know. The restaurant bombing in Haifa was the excuse, not the reason.

"ethnic cleansing" - I don't know what you guys are talking about. It ain't gonna happen, like the KKK isn't about to clear the USA from black people any time soon. Israel is moving population into the occupied territories, not taking out. If any population is about to be cleansed it's the israeli settlers - sooner the better.

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Those "Pan-Arabs" have tried that crap before. They got their tulips handed to them.
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as one of those that would have to go out and hand their tulips to them by risking his own ass, I much prefere if they keep it to themselves in the first place. and I urge Sharon not to encourage them.

Bozon

Excellent post Bozon. Most Americans are unaware of an Israeli position counter to the Likud viewpoint.

Charon

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #83 on:** October 06, 2003, 01:14:48 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Lets say Americans are, how u feel about it?

Well, see as how Americans are over there launching a covert campaign to rid the Russian people from the face of the planet - I'd except some retaliation, I highly doubt they'd be as nice as a relocation... well maybe a radioactive relocation. The term "Get the hell outta dodge", yeah you wouldn't find me or mine in America until that sh** storm blew over.

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Or how bout some heavily armed Taliban show up at your house all pissed off at what the USA did in Afghanistan - they tell you to move to canada or else... What then?

This has absolutely nothing in common with the first "what if" you threw out there, so beyond what I'm typing here - I won't reply to it, because it also has absolutely nothing in common with the Israel/Palestinian conflict either.
-SW

icemaw · « **Reply #84 on:** October 06, 2003, 01:36:40 PM »

Well I can tell you what would happen if any armed anyone came to my door. Telling me to convert move etc etc or die. There is going to be a big firefight. But I would NEVER walk into a place filled with civilains woman and children with a bomb strapped to my arse. The muslims doing these acts of murder are animals that deserve to be cleansed from this planet. Hopefully slowly and painfully.

medicboy · « **Reply #85 on:** October 06, 2003, 02:11:10 PM »

I have 2 thoughts on this:

1: We have no other option than to support Isreal on this, they are fighing the same type of war we are right now, a war on terror ,peroid. The only option is to either build a huge wall and expell all palisinains or kill all the terrorist. Nothing else will work. Sharon is supporting terrorism and should be executed, end of that story.

2: These homicide bombings are acts of terror. The definition of an act of terror is: Using the destruction of property and death of innocent people to achieve a political purpos. (according to the FBI guy that tought the last WMD class I was in)
Isreal is respondidn by using a legit military to target legit military targets (terrorist). The innocent that die from those attacks are the fault of the terrorist not the Isralies, adn are colateral damage. This happens in war.
Straping a bomb to your chest and walking into a resturant or a market or on a bus and setting it off is targeting innocent civilians in order to make a political statement (see def. of terrorism above).

Kill them all!!!!!!!! WTFG Isreal, was wondering how much longer you could sit on your hands.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #86 on:** October 06, 2003, 06:02:14 PM »

SW all that matters is that these enemy people think they have a reason to come to your home and demand you leave with them to some deportation processing facilty - whether YOU think that is a just reason or not is obviously irrelevant to them.

So do you go peacefully?

mrblack · « **Reply #87 on:** October 06, 2003, 06:13:45 PM »

SImple if it wears a turbin and smells of camel watermelon shoot it:D

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #88 on:** October 06, 2003, 06:34:17 PM »

I was only commenting on your comparison, not on the issue of relocation between the Israeli's and Palestinian's that you and Iron and talking about.

If they can't live as neighbors peacefully, I highly doubt forced relocation would be anything other than a blood bath.

I don't pretend to know what to do in that region. Personally I don't forsee any outcome other than large war that will escalate until the majority of the world (Europe, Russia, US, UK and Canada) become involved. IMO of course.
-SW

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #89 on:** October 06, 2003, 10:17:11 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I was only commenting on your comparison, not on the issue of relocation between the Israeli's and Palestinian's that you and Iron and talking about.

If they can't live as neighbors peacefully, I highly doubt forced relocation would be anything other than a blood bath.

I don't pretend to know what to do in that region. Personally I don't forsee any outcome other than large war that will escalate until the majority of the world (Europe, Russia, US, UK and Canada) become involved. IMO of course.
-SW

Yep forced relocation would only result in a disaster.