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jodgi · « **Reply #15 on:** October 06, 2003, 10:38:44 AM »

Your post seem to want to be taken seriously, muckmaw.

I would never had thought of it myself, that it is a pain that some planes are used more than others. I've seen countless threads on this issue.
When I first started out for real in AH I was constantly trying to find and fly the best plane... Now, I'm more drawn to the planes that have some pronounced drawbacks (and thus, some more pronounced strengths). I even have some kills in spit1 and 109e.

I avoid flying the la7, p51d, niki and seldom fly a spit (for no particular reason). These planes feel too common to give me a challenge. It's more fun to succeed in the "lesser" planes.

Maybe this is what many of us feel, but I've resignated to the fact that there will always be people that are almost exclusively drawn to the "best" planes. We have different agendas and likes/dislikes in AH, and to be honest: the planes on the aforementioned list are sometimes the best planes for a given task (if that is what drives you).

Maybe those that succeed in the lesser planes should be glad that the overuse of some planes makes them exotic. People notice those who land kills in underpowered or underarmed planes or whatever rides are considered poor. This would fall away if the plane use in AH is even among (all) planes.

If this post is "tounge in cheek"... then I've been had

muckmaw · « **Reply #16 on:** October 06, 2003, 10:55:50 AM »

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Originally posted by jodgi

I avoid flying the la7, p51d, niki and seldom fly a spit (for no particular reason). These planes feel too common to give me a challenge. It's more fun to succeed in the "lesser" planes.

Maybe those that succeed in the lesser planes should be glad that the overuse of some planes makes them exotic. People notice those who land kills in underpowered or underarmed planes or whatever rides are considered poor. This would fall away if the plane use in AH is even among (all) planes.

Jodgi-

2 Excellent points that I could not quantify in words. I could not agree with you more.

I guess your right.

Example, I never see eye to eye with Lazs, but I always respect the fact that he flies and succeeds in an FM2.

Notice how I remember what kind of plane he flies? Because when he lands kills, I see the text, and it's memorable,

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #17 on:** October 06, 2003, 11:02:57 AM »

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Originally posted by muckmaw
And that's a problem in the MA. If the pilots only want to win and not enjoy the experience, they may not tinker with other planes, and improve their skills. That's a detriment to us all. You can roll out AH2 now, HT. Just redo the 5 planes. Not many people see the other 3,000 anyway.

Did it ever occur to you that some of us actually enjoy flying what we fly? Hopping in the Spit V fills me with the sort of joy that hopping in a P-47 does not. It's my baby. I could probably jump in other planes and succeed just fine, but I don't want to do that. Why? Because my game experience is all about me, not about you.

-- Todd/Leviathn

jodgi · « **Reply #18 on:** October 06, 2003, 11:07:49 AM »

Edit: Knock yourself out Dead man! I am positively NOT one to suggest that my way of enjoying AH is the "right" way. Please do take up your spitV. If you ever fly for the bish, I'll even wing you so you can teach me to properly love and care for your spit.

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There you go!

I don't pretend to be an excellent flyer or an excellent shot. Whatever success I have is because of always trying to maintain advantage (this, believe it or not, seems to make me a dweeb in some people eyes).

Done with the disclaimer...

Now, one of my favorite moments so far in AH:

I managed to fly and fight smart in a P47d11 and land 6 kills. A guy blurtet out on the all channel: "I tend not to believe that!"

It is good to have crappy planes to show off in

...

Awww, let's just have fun, shall we?

Toad · « **Reply #19 on:** October 06, 2003, 11:08:35 AM »

Basically, this is one of the oldest discussions on the BBS and it all boils down to this question:

Why don't the other players fly the planes I think they ought to fly? Obviously, if they flew the planes I think they should fly, we'd all have much more fun!

And, if one steps back and actually does a little self appraisal, the answer is glaringly clear.

Let's see.. how shall I put this? I know!

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Fly what you like. Like what you fly. Don't worry about what the other guy flies. It's a game!

Guppy35 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 06, 2003, 11:09:08 AM »

The reason I'm a Spit dweeb is simple. I've been fascinated by Spitfire pilots and Spitfires for far longer then I've flown flight sims. Outside of a lottery win, this is as close as I'll get to flying one

I'll fly other stuff for fun, but I have the most fun in the Spits. No apologies for it either. If it's not fun, then whats the point?

The hardest lesson I learned in my AW days was that not everyone was going to play the game the way I wanted them to. If I let that piss me off, the enjoyment of the game went away, and I at times let it piss me off. It took me a long time to find the desire to "fly" again because of that.

Now I'm flying AH cause it's fun and I've vowed not to let the other stuff get to me this time around. Hopefully I'll be able to hold myself to it

Dan/Slack

Rutilant · « **Reply #21 on:** October 06, 2003, 11:21:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Well, at least we know folks don't fly those planes just because the planes are pretty good and you can get some kills in them without too much sweat.

And at least we know that folks that DON'T fly those planes don't dislike them simply because they're harder to kill than maybe a P40 or something.

So, it's a real mystery.

Werent you in an la7 last night?

OH, and..

Shortly after this was taken all my countrymates left to vulch the next field over so in the gangbangfest on the remaining people, toad happened to catch me on my.. er.. retreat

jodgi · « **Reply #22 on:** October 06, 2003, 11:23:50 AM »

Guppy, Toad, Dead... You all make perfect sense. I never meant to imply that I expect you to have fun the way I (currently) do. I too think the lala and spitdweeb discussion is BS.

(Why is this thread so civilized? I would've expected some saucy contributions by now.)

aztec · « **Reply #23 on:** October 06, 2003, 11:25:38 AM »

Much wisdom there Guppy,

Rutilant · « **Reply #24 on:** October 06, 2003, 11:26:35 AM »

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Originally posted by jodgi

(Why is this thread so civilized? I would've expected some saucy contributions by now.)

Want me to call Toad a hypocrit? i can do that.

jodgi · « **Reply #25 on:** October 06, 2003, 11:35:36 AM »

Naw Rut, Thanks for trying, though.

Toad · « **Reply #26 on:** October 06, 2003, 11:43:14 AM »

Yeah, I flew the LA last night. It was what I wanted to fly last night, for several reasons. None of which concern you or should even be of any concern to you at all.

Go back and look at my stats for the last year. Then tell me I fly the LA too much (to suit you?).

It's a faulty premise and an incredibly weak response that merely highlights what I said. Fly what you like. Extend me the courtesy to fly what I like.

All the threads of this type have a basic, underlying premise:

"Other players should play the game/choose their planes the way I tell them to play/choose."

And it's simply male bovine excrement.

muckmaw · « **Reply #27 on:** October 06, 2003, 12:04:11 PM »

Toad-

That's not what I'm trying to say.

But let me ask.

Why are so many drawn to these planes?

I can see the P-51....glamourous, famous plane.

Same thing with the spit..maybe even the 109...

So why the LA-7?

Or the Niki?

They're nt exactly famous warbirds. You won't find many WWII enthusiasts saying their life long dream is to fly the LA-7.

So why are these planes so popular?

And you can fly anything you want. All I'm saying is it would be nice to see some opposition from something other than these same 5 airplanes.

If these argument has been brought up so many times, don't you think it might have some merit? Or do you think there are 3 guys dedicated to getting perks slapped on these planes and we toss in a post every few weeks?

Shane · « **Reply #28 on:** October 06, 2003, 12:12:26 PM »

you see what you want to i guess....

here's mine this tour so far (exclusively on festerma).

P-51D 27
Spitfire Mk IX 22
P-38L 19
Spitfire V 16
Fw 190D-9 15
La-7 14
Bf 109G-10 11
N1K2 10
Fw 190A-5 8
P-47-D30 6
Bf 110G-2 6
F6F-5 6
Typhoon IB 6
P-51B 5
Fw 190A-8 5
Hurricane IIC 4
Panzer IV H 4
Ki-61 4
C-47A 4
M-3 3
P-47-D25 3
Bf 109G-6 3
B-26B 3
F4U-1D 3
Ju 88 3
A-20G 3
La-5FN 2
SeaFire 2
B-17G 2
Yak-9U 2
F4F-4 1
Il-2 1
D3A1 1
LVTA2 1
Bf 109G-2 1
Hurricane IID 1
P-40E 1
A6M2 1
A6M5b 1
SBD-5 1
C.205 1
FM2 1
P-40B 1

beet1e · « **Reply #29 on:** October 06, 2003, 12:22:16 PM »

MuckMAW. It's easy to understand. There is a huge swathe in this community that has no interest in WW2, no interest in learning ACM (which is why you see all the HO) and who just want to pummel a fire button and make stuff go boom. The Spit and LA7 are the easymode planes. P51 is a good survivalist plane if not quite as easy, but still easy enough. Just as folks can't be bothered to spend more than 5 minutes to get to a fight, so are they victims from their own lack of attention span when it comes to learning new ideas/planes. So instead, they'll just choose an easymode ride.

Do not confuse the fact that these oft chosen planes feature so prominently in the obituaries with the reason why they are chosen in the first place. More of them get killed because so many idiots fly them. Look at the kill stats for any pilot ranked in the top 200. In most cases the P51, Spit ix and LA7 will be in the top 5 in his list of fighter kills.