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« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2003, 02:10:52 PM »
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So the B and the D are the same plane except:

The D has a better 6 View
The B climbs better
The D carries more ammo

Anything else about these planes which are the same but different?

Like I said, if this is a recurring whine, maybe it's because the
One quarter of all the kills in a 70 plus plane set went to 5 planes?


Both 'stangs carry 6 rockets, but the B has these huge toilet paper tubes that cause drag on the return flight.

The Bstang can carry a pair of 500 pound bombs.  So can the D stang, but it can carry a pair of 1,000 pounders instead.

The wings seem to fall off of the B stang easier when hit by anti-aircraft flak.

Definitely takes guts to A2G in a B stang in the MA.  Between the compression on dive-in, the smaller bomb load, the toilet paper tubes, and the wing rippage, the D stang is the safer ride.

Bring in the Ki-44 and Ki-84 and then we could say that a quarter of all kills went to the same 7 planes. :p

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« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2003, 02:21:55 PM »
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Definitely takes guts to A2G in a B stang in the MA.  Between the compression on dive-in, the smaller bomb load, the toilet paper tubes, and the wing rippage, the D stang is the safer ride.
 


Dont see how there could be "guts" in a game.. But it's pointless to argue,  everyone to their own i suppose ;)

Everyone has a reason to fly the plane they fly.. As i do :)
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« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2003, 02:39:02 PM »
"Like I said, if this is a recurring whine, maybe it's because the complaint has merit.

Ok ... What if it does have virtual merit ?

The next evolutionary step to this whine is always ....

What can be done to allevaite this plague ? ... How can we force other people to fly planes other than the "Big 5" (planes that they don't want to fly).

Humiliate them ... This is a constant occurence and it never seems to work except for those who are easily swayed by peer pressure.

RPS - Think "Big 5" is a whine ? ... whoa !!! off the scale on this one.

Perk 'em - Discussed ad nauseum with no results.

Any more ideas ?

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« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2003, 02:52:11 PM »
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All I'm saying is it would be nice to see some opposition from something other than these same 5 airplanes.


Well, I'm tired of seeing F6F's. Why don't YOU fly something I would like to see some opposition from? How about the C-202? I'd like to fight more of those. Oh, yah.. and goon more too. I like killing them too.. don't see near enough of them.

So, why don't YOU fly those for two months and add diversity to the arena?

After all, that's what you're asking of others; should be no problem for you to "walk the walk".

 

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If these argument has been brought up so many times, don't you think it might have some merit? Or do you think there are 3 guys dedicated to getting perks slapped on these planes and we toss in a post every few weeks?



Yah, and like I pointed out, they're essentially all the same argument every time:

"Why don't YOU fly the planes I want you to fly?

The answer is so bloody obvious that it's a continual source of amazement to me that it continues to come up.
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« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2003, 04:11:18 PM »
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I don't care for the A-20. No rear armament to speak of. Someone gets behind you, you might as well bail.

I'd take the B-26. Better armament, more ordinance, and still has the 6 forward facing 50 cals.


Ah, my friend, you need to try the "reverse saddle-up"!

It works like this:

Joe dweeb gets around on the 6 o'clock of your a20.

You jump in the rear gun, and use the rudder keys or pedals or whatever to bank the bird to clear the gun.

Joe saddles up.  You shoot him full of .50 caliber holes.  

He cusses you on channel one.

It's a real ball.  Try it, you'll like it.

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« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2003, 04:35:37 PM »
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Classify this any way you want.

109 (Might be 190...I get 'em mixed up)


Hint: the 0 and 9 are in different places on the icon:)

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« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2003, 05:12:46 PM »
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Well, I'm tired of seeing F6F's. Why don't YOU fly something I would like to see some opposition from? How about the C-202? I'd like to fight more of those. Oh, yah.. and goon more too. I like killing them too.. don't see near enough of them.

So, why don't YOU fly those for two months and add diversity to the arena?

After all, that's what you're asking of others; should be no problem for you to "walk the walk".

 




Yah, and like I pointed out, they're essentially all the same argument every time:

"Why don't YOU fly the planes I want you to fly?

The answer is so bloody obvious that it's a continual source of amazement to me that it continues to come up.


Toad-

If I needed more of a challenge, I would. But the F6F is plenty of challenge for me to master. I'm giving you diversity now. There's only 6 FRIGGIN F6F's in the MA at any given time!

And you know what...if the arena was full of hellcats, and we know it ain't I would fly something else.  If everyone was flying F6F's that means they became the easiest ride to succeed in, translation...less skill required to kill...hence, I would not by interested in flying them.

Im in this game for a challenge, not to club baby seals and declare myself master of the universe.


Slapshot-

Just because a discussion has been had several times does not mean we should just walk away.

You guys are loving the "Fly any plane you want" thing.

I think there should be some type of limitation on what planes are available. Take my favorite ride away first. I dont care. I'll go fly a pony like everyone else.

*shrugs*

Whatever. We're never gonna see eye to eye, so forget it.

Keep screaming the mantra...I pay $15.00...I should be able to do anything I want anytime I want. Rules? WHy have rules? I pay $15.00. I should be invincible. I should be bullet proof. That's how I want to play and I pay $15.00.

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« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2003, 05:29:54 PM »
Muck, you have to notice that your post is totally "Muck-centric".

It's all about you and what you want.

Yet you seem to be unable to realize that other people are self-centered as well.

They want to do what THEY want to do... JUST LIKE YOU WANT TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

You just think your way is "better".

You find the F6F more challenging, more diversified, more whatever.

Good for you. Fly it.

Allow others to follow their own desires, OK? And don't cry and moan when they choose a Spit or an La-7 or whatever.

It's THEIR choice.. just like the F6F is YOUR choice.

And you're idea that people should shun "easy" rides is ludicrous. What's an "easy ride" in an arena that allows C202's to compete with Me-262's?

Any ride is what YOU make it. Not everyone has the same goals. Some guys want to fly Spits because they love Spits, not because it's a great blend of turn and zoom.

Here it is:

Not everyone shares your goals. You're going to be continually frustrated if you keep trying to force your goals.. or repetitively posting about how your goals are "better" .... on everyone else.

Fly what YOU like.

Allow others the same courtesy to choose what they like.
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« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2003, 05:42:28 PM »
long live the 109G10 and 109F4....................
ive only flown and gotten kills in the 109G10 this tour so ehre are my numbers.
                   kills             deaths
109G10        6                   7
ill spit5 in base defense that is about all.
10 kills to 23 deaths in it.(all tards that cant tell im a spit5.)
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« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2003, 06:03:37 PM »
So if this thread is only what "Muck wants" why has the subject come up so many times by so many different people? Oh, wait...it's only me. I'm the only one who'd like to see a change.


Meanwhile, your post is completely "Toad-Centric". You can't see that? Talk about the pot and the kettle.

You like things then way they are, and that's good for you.

But you don't want someone to rock the boat for fear you may have to adapt to something new.

Whatever, Toad. I'm not getting into another useless flamewar with you.

You take this game alot more serious than I do anyway.

Keep fighting the same 5 planes over and over and proclaim yourself king of the world.
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« Reply #55 on: October 06, 2003, 06:52:13 PM »
Stats Alert!

This data is for the current tour to date.  Top 20 vehicles with kills.  Only surprise is the number of kills racked up by gvs.  Thought this was Aces High?

Perk the Panzer!

Model                    Kills   Deaths   Kills / Deaths + 1
Spitfire Mk IX   7914   7067   1.1197
Panzer IV H   7119   8156   0.8727
N1K2                   6211   5049   1.2299
La-7                   5815   5724   1.0157
Ostwind                   5537   2984   1.8549
P-51D                   5318   5895   0.902
Ship Gunner   5016   14   334.4
Tiger I                   3655   630   5.7924
Typhoon IB   3471   2457   1.4121
P-38L      3232   3674   0.8795
Spitfire V      3179   3521   0.9026
Fw 190D-9   3078   1694   1.8159
SeaFire      2916   2992   0.9743
Bf 109G-10   2620   1838   1.4247
F6F-5      2613   2658   0.9827
F4U-1D      2150   2395   0.8973
Hurricane IIC   1735   1385   1.2518
M-16      1676   2563   0.6537
F4U-1C      1446   503   2.869
B-17G      1442   4004   0.36

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« Reply #56 on: October 06, 2003, 08:53:28 PM »
I enjoy flyin the Corsair, the Spitty V and the Seafire. Why ?? Don't know, there fun in their own ways.

I ALWAYS enjoy killin lags, ponies, G10's, nikki's and Yaks in a Spit V.

The big five or whatever ARE more fun to kill.  Fly what you want.

It all shakes out.
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« Reply #57 on: October 06, 2003, 08:58:38 PM »
LOL!

You totally don't get it Muck!

I don't give a sh t what anyone flies.

I'd NEVER have the incredible audacity to tell someone they're flying a plane that I feel I "see" too much in the Main and that they should fly something else.


If allowing people to pay their money and fly the plane they want is "liking things the way they are" then I da n sure like them the way they are.

If I'm fighting the same plane over and over it must be because that's what the OTHER GUY WANTS TO FLY.

Who am I to tell him how to have fun?

That's being Toad-centric, I guess.
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« Reply #58 on: October 07, 2003, 01:33:54 AM »
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Yah, and like I pointed out, they're essentially all the same argument every time:

"Why don't YOU fly the planes I want you to fly?

The answer is so bloody obvious that it's a continual source of amazement to me that it continues to come up.


The answer is always most obvious to those who won't consider opposing views.   You sound like someone who is tired of making the same arguement over and over, Toad.   Why doesn't the whole community just come around to your way of thinking?    Perhaps you're the one who just doesn't get it?

We've all seen this argument come up before, and as Muck points out, by many different people.   But it always seems to be slammed by the same few.

Look again at Rutilant's screenshot.   Sadly, its not much of an exaggeration.   When I look at it, I see a colossal waste of artwork and FM modelling and testing for the vast majority of planes which go nearly unused in AH.   Why bother to have more than 5 planes in AH2?   Surely it could've been out a lot sooner if only the Big 5 planes were modelled?

Muck never said he wanted to dictate which planes people should fly--you put those words in his mouth so you could shoot him down with your pat argument.    He was simply lamenting, as many of us do, that a sim which has been designed to be so rich in aircraft could come to be so dominated by such a small subset of planes.

There is already a proven way in the game to encourage variety without "dictating" which aircraft people should fly.   The tricky part is to set up conditions which result in a larger variety of  planes being flown, even while people fly what they choose to.   Reasonable proposals along these lines have been put forth in the past, but nothing has been done.

Since the C-hog scourge, I haven't heard HTC comment on the issue.   I assume they simply don't recognize it as a problem, despite how it seems to resurface on the BB.

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« Reply #59 on: October 07, 2003, 02:21:23 AM »
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So why the LA-7?

Or the Niki?

They're nt exactly famous warbirds. You won't find many WWII enthusiasts saying their life long dream is to fly the LA-7.


Correction : you won't find many "westerner  WWII enthusiasts".


I'm a Normandie-Nieman Fan (being Normand and French I guess it's normal)  I want to fly the planes of the NN like any XXth fighter group/JG XX fan can.

But there is no NN plane in AH (and I don't want to fly a Yak3 like the one in WB) ... so from time to time I up a Russian plane (yak or La) just for my own pleasure and I don't care of your (or anyone) opinion.

Finaly if you want diversity in the main : show us that you really want diversity and change your own ride you will perhaps start a new trend in the main ...
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