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« Reply #60 on: November 04, 2003, 07:51:27 AM »





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« Reply #61 on: November 04, 2003, 08:00:25 AM »
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« Reply #62 on: November 04, 2003, 08:41:54 AM »
I luv these comparisons of disimliar aircraft types.

Unless higher than 25K I wouldn't want to co-alt a F6F-5 in a 109 of any sort. Unless you plan on hit and run or just run victory especially in equal loading states would be very difficult for the 109.

Here is a big reason you probably didn't think of.

A F6F carries 1500LBS of fuel and 750lbs of ammo. If you give the F6F the same weight of fuel and ammo in combat with any 109 the differance in rate of climb and power loading is much less. Wingloading and turning ability already in favor of the Hellcat become even more one sided.

The 109 had enough trouble against the P-47 why do you think it would be different against the F6F?

BTW the F6F recorded several kills in the ETO and the F4F had even greater success as it saw more combat.

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« Reply #63 on: November 04, 2003, 01:20:31 PM »
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I guess it is just me, but it seems to be fairly obvious what the "best 5" fighters are.  Just look at what 5 planes always finish numbers 1,2,3,4, and 5 in the kill lists every month.  

People fly them for a reason.


Ok that is the most important point. There is big difference between most popular fighter and air supriority fighter.

How much pilots in AH really know to fly 109G10 - not a lot - it is hard plane to hande but absolutly suprior on Spits and N1K that popular in MA. Give to new pilot Mustang or 109g10 he will die faster then if he will get Spit because it is much easyer plane and turnfighting easyer tactics that not forces you to comapre all the time the energy of you and your enemy, BnZ tactics forces you to think a lot when the turnfighting tactics - has another name - dogfight.

I don't want to tell that you have not to be skilled for turnfighting or not have to think.. don't understand me wrong but to flying air supriority fighter you have to be more skilled.

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I would use "air superiority" fighter


Yes I think it is right term - air supriority fighter.
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« Reply #64 on: November 04, 2003, 01:44:56 PM »
No, people don't fly them because they are "easier"... people fly them because they are better.  It is plain and simple.  Have you ever fought a Spit IX co-E (same starting alt, reasonably close starting speeds) in a 109G-10?  You'll find that you will have a very difficult time defeating one if the pilot knows just about anything.  For instance.. if the Spit pilot knows to keep turning in one direction once you get on his tail, you had better be real good at deflection shooting.  And with the 109s anemic firepower, you better be REAL good at deflection shooting.  An "ace" in a Spit IX will kill an "ace" in a 109 every time unless the 109 simply runs away.  In that case he still loses, since the goal is to shoot down your enemy, not run from him.

People fly the La-7 because it is the best fast plane.  People fly the Spit IX and N1K2 because they are the best slow planes.  People fly the P-51 because it isn't half bad, and it has newbie appeal.  The newbies go on to "graduate" to the La-7.  The fifth plane changes from time to time, but it is usually the Typhoon, because it can kill fuel pretty easily, and a snapshot is a certain kill.  

Compare the 109G10 to the La-7 (in game, I couldn't tell you how they stack up in real life).  The La-7 is faster, accelerates better, has more firepower, turns better, and climbs just as well.  So why on earth would someone fly the 109G10 instead?  The obvious (not to mention correct) answer is, they wouldn't.  This is why the La-7 usually gets 2-3 times the kills the 109 gets.  Actually, the only reason anyone flies any plane other than the La-7, Spit IX, P-51D, or N1K2 is because they think they are good and they wouldn't want anyone to assume it is all because of the plane they are flying.  In my opinion of course.

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« Reply #65 on: November 04, 2003, 02:13:55 PM »
What can I tell you 1 vs 1 fight of 109g10 and Spit 9 really hard... making good deflection shoots is one of the most importants points of BnZ tactics. Yes it isn't easy to fly 1 vs 1 but what heppens when it is 2 vs 2?
All changes. One helps other using his suprior speed. And if Spit 9 gets on your 6 in short time your wingmen is going to clean you and if Spit will not make hard turns he will be shut down EASYLY. Spit 9 will allways in offencive and not engage. That makes all difference. How many players in MA do actualy winging - not a lot. Most of them fly alone.

I had lot of good fights where both of us returned home with nothing fighting 109 vs Spit - both were good. Yes but 109 desides when to engage and when to exit fight. Spit dosn't and that makes all the difference

By the way about La7 it is really excelent plane but.... over 10K it looses all its perfomance - in climb and in speed. That is its weak point. If I'm in 109 fighting La7 I'll force him to clib if he stays low he will get me energy advantage if does it will give me speed advantage. Yes La7 is excelent and has his place in top 5.
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« Reply #66 on: November 04, 2003, 03:26:44 PM »
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...] because they think they are good and they wouldn't want anyone to assume it is all because of the plane they are flying.  In my opinion of course.

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they're too easy = boring. Only time this does not apply is when you burn out on your fav plane, or the 262 which doesn't count.

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making good deflection shoots is one of the most importants points of BnZ tactics.

But in the case of G10:MkIX, BnZ will not happen since the 'IX has no trouble staying in reach of the G10. Same story with 2:2, except for fluke wins, the G10s will always have more than a handful to be able to go lend their wingman a hand safely.
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« Reply #67 on: November 05, 2003, 11:51:04 AM »
F4U-D Jabo

F4U-4 - Buff Hunter

F4U-C- snap shot serial killer.

F4U-1, long range duty
Jug-11- mixing it up in general...

..for those that like a real challenge...everything else is just a toy :)


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« Reply #68 on: November 05, 2003, 12:25:34 PM »
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People fly the P-51 because it isn't half bad, and it has newbie appeal. The newbies go on to "graduate" to the La-7


Awww shoot.  I never graduated!
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« Reply #69 on: November 05, 2003, 12:31:44 PM »
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Awww shoot.  I never graduated!


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« Reply #70 on: November 08, 2003, 10:07:09 AM »
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As to speed, it's every bit as fast as the Fw 190A-5 above 5k. It can reach 402 mph between 20 - 21k.

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I thought this sounded suspect,  so I looked at the speed chart at netaces.

The f6f is not as fast as a FWa5 @5k.  Over 8k the Hellkitty can match the FW only with the f6 on wep and the FW on regular power.

The f6fs top speed is around 385mph on wep, and that happens below 20k.

The FWa5 reaches 410mph with wep @ around 20k.

This is not intended to be a flame.  But your information is incorrect I believe.  For AH anyway.

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« Reply #71 on: November 08, 2003, 11:53:54 AM »
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Actually, the only reason anyone flies any plane other than the La-7, Spit IX, P-51D, or N1K2 is because they think they are good and they wouldn't want anyone to assume it is all because of the plane they are flying.  In my opinion of course.

Actually, I fly the P38 because it's the best plane of the war.  When I think "WWII fighter" I think of the Lightning first and foremost.









In my opinion of course.

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« Reply #72 on: November 08, 2003, 01:18:54 PM »
when i hear those wonder words p-38 lightning i think ...





























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« Reply #73 on: November 08, 2003, 04:38:13 PM »
Ki-61-I-KAIc Strong - most beautiful Japanese Fighter. Weak - poor speed at low alt and high alt, unbelievable climb rate, bad roll rate, very bad acceleration it means it's really hard to get energy in this plane, it can't turn like spit because weight balance is worse, and weight is much heavier than early type of Ki-61, unstable control at low speed, poor guns, it runs out ammo very quickly. this plane should be used as glider.

But I love it.

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« Reply #74 on: November 08, 2003, 05:34:16 PM »
What Mitsu said...and it's got a really cool paint job :).
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