Author Topic: Something nocks out an M1A1 and no one knows what? (Read 2004 times)

GtoRA2 · « **on:** November 05, 2003, 02:37:59 PM »

Story here.

Check this page for a link with pics.

udet · « **Reply #1 on:** November 05, 2003, 02:52:12 PM »

is this fo'real?

gofaster · « **Reply #2 on:** November 05, 2003, 02:54:56 PM »

Looks like whatever it was started to disintegrate shortly after passing through the armour skirt.

Innominate · « **Reply #3 on:** November 05, 2003, 02:57:43 PM »

I find it hard to believe saddam had nothing more sophisticated than the rpg7.

Like the SA7's, it would be available but only in limited quantities. The best time to use any weapon like that is obviously now, not in a standing fight they knew they'd be killed before they could get a shot off.

Think about it. Iraq was facing one of the best equipped invading forces in the history of war. If they had put up everything they had when we rolled in, it wouldn't have taken much longer than it did. We are a country that has a history of going into countries, but leaving when things got tough. Why not plan to make the invasion easy, and then use your more sophisticated weapons in a terrorist fashion?

Shoot down a couple aircraft, blast a couple of tanks, hope we get antsy and leave.

Gunthr · « **Reply #4 on:** November 05, 2003, 02:59:42 PM »

Just a guess here ... Russia and France have these type, as well as the US and UK: But I think it would have to be fired from a tank...

depleted uranium sabot

Scootter · « **Reply #5 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:05:02 PM »

"Eryx can defeat all modern static or moving tanks"

This weapon system was not seen in Gulf War 1 but was used in the Iraq war.

I wonder if this could be what did it?

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/eryx.htm

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:05:32 PM »

Udet, yeah it is for real.

Gunthr
They state in the article they think it is some kind of chemical warhead, and not a solid shot round.

Seraphim · « **Reply #7 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:08:36 PM »

Eryx is 136mm
The hole in the tank was abot the size of a pencil
So, basically you'd need a thin sharp object at high velocity that can penetrate depleted uranium armor

Gunthr · « **Reply #8 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:11:13 PM »

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Gunthr
They state in the article they think it is some kind of chemical warhead, and not a solid shot round.

Hmm. Wierd. What do you want to bet its Russian or French made ... ?

Octavius · « **Reply #9 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:16:53 PM »

Anti-tank "rifles" were used in WWII... could this be some sort of new version on crack?

That slide show in the second link is nuts. The projectile ricochets off the gunner's jacket and then has enough energy to pierce a safety thing, some equipment, and THEN bury itself 2" deep? sheesh

Maybe someone is testing a rail gun

Innominate · « **Reply #10 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:17:06 PM »

Seraphim,
Modern anti-tank weapons are not simply explosives packed into a tube. They use special shaped charge warheads, which create a jet of molten metal focused on a small point on the target. This jet burns through the armor.

http://thor.prohosting.com/~normkay/noframes/no_reactive.html

Seraphim · « **Reply #11 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:23:32 PM »

Right right........forgot about that

Fishu · « **Reply #12 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:23:52 PM »

Seraphim,

Lets explain couple things about how the ammunition works...

Eryx uses a shaped charge ammo, the projectile is 137mm in diameter, but it will not create a 137mm hole.
Shaped charge focuses the energy at very small area, which then penetrates the armour and leaves a very small and clean hole in the armour.
It doesn't either do such a mess inside the tank like some SABOT round can leave (unless it hits something which makes a mess..)

Pretty much same thing with the SABOT round, what comes to the caliber; its a sub-caliber ammunition.
120mm SABOT does not do a 120mm hole, but much smaller instead - the penetrating part is in the casing, which is an arrow like long & thin projectile.

Seraphim · « **Reply #13 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:29:08 PM »

eeyyaaaa
just read about it

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #14 on:** November 05, 2003, 03:40:29 PM »

looks like a small caliber sabot round to me.. the interior damage woudl be different with a heat round.