Author Topic: P51D vs Dora (Read 5670 times)

GODO · « **on:** November 11, 2003, 07:17:22 PM »

We already have an interesting discussion about P51D vs 109K. But, IMO, these are too different rides to compare with each other. Probably, a much closer match would be P51D vs D9/D11 .
Are these planes really on the same league or do we have a clear winner?

Tarmac · « **Reply #1 on:** November 11, 2003, 07:59:18 PM »

All things being equal (pilot quality, E state) I'd put my money on the pony's better turning and its combat flaps. Especially in AH, with the pony having flat-trajectory .50s that can reach out to d500 or farther.

In the AH MA though, a lot of pony pilots are relatively mediocre; they fly the pony because it's famous. I have no problem engaging a pony in a D9 as long as he doesn't have more than a few thousand feet of altitude on me. The fights usually go the same every time; I scissor, he pops out in front, I land a few hits for no apparent damage, he dives away, I follow and kill him. I usually figure it out real quick if the pilot is good; then I'm in for a tough fight.

But I'd say they're evenly matched enough that it comes down to skill more than airplane.

Kweassa · « **Reply #2 on:** November 11, 2003, 10:09:21 PM »

Same skill level, and I'd also bet on the P-51D.

GScholz · « **Reply #3 on:** November 11, 2003, 10:41:01 PM »

IMHO they are sufficiently close that pilot skill or sheer luck will be the determining factor. 1 on 1 I feel the P-51 hold a slight advantage though.

Shane · « **Reply #4 on:** November 11, 2003, 11:06:50 PM »

all the 190d9 can do is hope it gets a running start fast enough.

Tarmac · « **Reply #5 on:** November 12, 2003, 01:37:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Shane
all the 190d9 can do is hope it gets a running start fast enough.

And then let that n00b pony pilot overshoot once he gets up to speed trying to follow

Virage · « **Reply #6 on:** November 12, 2003, 07:21:08 AM »

advantages:

190d9

Climb
speed
roll

p51

turn

guns are a wash imo.

2 pilots that flew to the planes strengths... p51 would be defensive. 190d should be able to dictate the fight and leave at will. 51 can't leave.

I think 190d has the edge.

BlckMgk · « **Reply #7 on:** November 12, 2003, 10:02:45 AM »

51 D...

Because its just so much more maneuverable.. Speed advantage is in the D9's favor.. but hell its hard to reverse in that plane after taking a pass, it'll lose most of its E, if the 51d's in hot pursuit... Climb is slightly better, not much to make a huge difference, and well the Roll is something that all 190's can do which is a HUGE asset. This could really be the factor which lets the 190 win but.. the D9 (feels like) it has horrible verticle control, If the 51d isn't careful the overshoot would occur, but heck that goes the same for the D9..

Soo..

51 D...

gofaster · « **Reply #8 on:** November 12, 2003, 10:20:07 AM »

I suck in all 3 but have a better chance of landing a tracking shot in a P-51D due to higher ROF and better bullet ballistics.

GODO · « **Reply #9 on:** November 12, 2003, 02:29:00 PM »

I forgot to say real P51D vs real Dora.

In the case of AH, D9 main advantages are acceleration at level from lo to med speeds, substained climb, roll (only from lo to medium speeds) and 10 mins of WEP.

P51D hot points would be roll at hi speeds, dive, slow speed turning, control at hi speeds and zoom climb.

All in all, AH P51D may be a better fighter. and D9 a clearly better interceptor.

NoBaddy · « **Reply #10 on:** November 13, 2003, 03:37:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Virage
advantages:

guns are a wash imo.

Personally, I give the 51 the guns edge. Those .50s give me a better chance at doin' "Ma Bell" (reach out and touch someone) than I get with the D-9s cannon/mg's. Hell, I can easily do 350 to 400 yard high deflection shots in a 51 and get hits. Probably just me, but, I've never been able to master that in the D-9.

dawg03 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 13, 2003, 05:31:22 PM »

not all of us p-51 pilots are nubes.....

check 6

GODO · « **Reply #12 on:** November 13, 2003, 06:23:53 PM »

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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Probably just me, but, I've never been able to master that in the D-9.

It is much harder in D9, but once u master high deflection shots with 151/20s, you'll find them much more effective than 50s for ranges below 400 yards. P51 still keeps a clear advantage for long range shots.

JB42 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 13, 2003, 09:18:55 PM »

I think as with every German plane and its counter-combat Allied plane, all things being equal, the fight starts out in the advantage having to go towards the German plane, but as the fight goes on the slide rule shifts to the Allied plane. The German planes roll and accleration allow it to make a merge or two and if it cant land hits, simply run away. However, if the two continue to hash it out, E states drop and this falls right into the Allied planes strengths. Heck, for the irst 2 merges, i would take a Dora over a Spit9

Steve · « **Reply #14 on:** November 13, 2003, 09:33:35 PM »

Man, these planes are so close to equal. IMHO: edge to D9 in high speed fights. The roll rate is something the pony simply cannot match and it is not too difficult for the d9 pilot to use it for reversal...

Low speed I give edge to pony.... turn radius, combat flaps... etc.

Individual traits are nicely divided: speed to D9, roll to d9, climb to d9, wep duration to d9.
Gun ballistics to pony, cockpit views to pony, turn ability to pony, fuel duration to pony.

Some may wonder how much cockpit view can matter. Strictly IMO, it can matter quite a bit... most especially when tracking multiple victims.