The French Were Right

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Kieran
Big difference is I am not claiming the US is  innocent, nor am I suggesting it has the moral high ground. From the start I have said France's position on the whole deal has been biased and have used these few points to back it up. Our French friend IS claiming high ground, and is denying France had any interest in keeping the status quo in Iraq.

Clearer now?

Can you put that in the second most used language in the world?

[kappa]

And yes, no matter how you wanna change the subject, our american president lied to us... Lied to his congress, his people, his staff.... LIES.... OUR fighting american men are dying because of LIES... LIES  LIES>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How can that be dissputed??  Its soooooo obvious...  How can anyone with an open mind argue this point?? We all heard him lie..... Some saw him lie......  The evidence is out folks.... Why were we going to war w/ iraqi?? WMD?? Terrorist??  why?  I did ask Iraqi.... Why we goto war w/ Iraqi??

k
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[kappa]

Originally posted by muckmaw
Can you put that in the second most used language in the world?

If I could only speak one language, I suppose i'd stfu to someone that speaks two. Not show that I was an egocentric ignorant american after all...............

k
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[ravells]

I'm pretty sure that the second biggest circulated book after the bible was Chairman Mao's 'Quotations from the works of Mao-Tse-Tung'.

I'm absolutely positive it was not a book by or about Napoleon (if that is the Corsican you're talking about)

800,000,000 copies produced....so many chinese people can't be wrong!



Ravs

[muckmaw]

The Pope lied too.

He told me there is a God but has yet to produce any evidence of his existence.

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by kappa
If I could only speak one language, I suppose i'd stfu to someone that speaks two. Not show that I was an egocentric ignorant american after all...............

k
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And you know I only speak one language because?

Sombody pee in your cheerios this morning, Kappa?

[majic]

Kappa, we elect our representatives.  Most of those elections are based on popular vote.  (The exception being the president, wich is done based on the electoral college, with  the idea being that we give the smaller states more say).  

They cannot govern based on opinion polls.  The right thing is not always the popular thing.  If we went by opinion polls, many nukes would have flown Sept. 12th, 2001.  There would also be no taxes (you think they are popular?)


Thrawn:  "My Prime Minister is my employee not my leader. I'm an adult, I don't need someone else to lead me."


That's weird to hear coming from a country with such socialist tendancies.  Your government is much more involved in your life than my government is in my life.

[kappa]

Agreed Majic.... splitting hairs here maybe but,

polls (generally) make up the wishes or desires of the people... there are always exceptions to anything... if the president/representative/whatever wants to ignore the feelings of his people, he can and sometimes will.... But to make it a 'normal' stance is just plain suicide...  you give the people what they want, your re-elected... you dont... your replaced...  acting like or making statments that our government never listened to the people?? thats just plain ignorant...

Taxes? im sure it would be a popular opinion to have taxes.. maybe not what they are now... positively NOT what they WILL be b/c our this presidents agendas.. but the 'normal' american knows and understands government cannot go on w/out a tax... could you imagine how small and incignificant our taxes would be w/out national debt??

k
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[Kieran]

Originally posted by kappa
And yes, no matter how you wanna change the subject, our american president lied to us... Lied to his congress, his people, his staff.... LIES.... OUR fighting american men are dying because of LIES... LIES  LIES>>>>>>>>>>>>>  How can that be dissputed??  Its soooooo obvious...  How can anyone with an open mind argue this point?? We all heard him lie..... Some saw him lie......  The evidence is out folks.... Why were we going to war w/ iraqi?? WMD?? Terrorist??  why?  I did ask Iraqi.... Why we goto war w/ Iraqi??

k
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Now YOU'RE changing the subject. The subject originated with the thought "France said from the beginning it would get messy in Iraq". The thought wasn't "America lied about WMD". At least get your facts straight.

1. Settle Iraq issue once and for all
2. Send message to outlaw regimes
3. Iraq was in breach of UN resolutions
4. UN refused to enforce stronger sanctions
5. Security Council was powerless to act


That should be simple enough to follow. WMD was but one excuse to execute #1. That was a mistake (using WMD intelligence from the UK), but it was a means to an end.

[kappa]

what were the other reasons?? And wasnt France right that iraqi had no WMDs??

k
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[kappa]

Kierann wrote:
That should be simple enough to follow. WMD was but one excuse to execute #1. That was a mistake (using WMD intelligence from the UK), but it was a means to an end.

A means to an end? It was a lie by our president during a state of the union address before congress... a LIE....... call it what you want.

k
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[Kieran]

I agree you should be pissed about the intelligence, but your anger should surely extend to every single person in possession of the same intelligence who went right ahead and voted for war. That seems fair, doesn't it?

[Martlet]

Originally posted by muckmaw
Can you put that in the second most used language in the world?

I'll do it for you, muck.  I'm not sure he speaks spanish, though.

 

Big me no estoy demandando los E.U. soy inocente, ni me que los sugiere tengo la alta tierra moral. Del comienzo he dicho que la posición de Francia respecto al reparto del conjunto se ha predispuesto y que ha utilizado estos pocos puntos para moverlo hacia atrás para arriba. Nuestro amigo francés está demandando la alta tierra, y está negando Francia tenía cualquier interés en mantener el status quo Iraq. ¿Más claro ahora?

[muckmaw]

Originally posted by Martlet
I'll do it for you, muck.  I'm not sure he speaks spanish, though.

[kappa]

Originally posted by Kieran
I agree you should be pissed about the intelligence, but your anger should surely extend to every single person in possession of the same intelligence who went right ahead and voted for war. That seems fair, doesn't it?

Sure i feel the same way... the dems supporting the war are for the most part weak individuals. But they do not recieve the same intellegence the president gets, do they? The CIA and such reports to the president and his folks. Do any other parts of our government recieve the same extensive intelligence the president receives? And, at the same time?? You can blame all in the goverment, but we know where the buck stops, dont we? Albeit that buck has been passed around a lot of late by our president.. They had to have known their 'evidence' was shaky at best...

To me this represents our president perfectly... He will lie to the american people, send our soldiers to die in a distant land, and fek the common person in america just for his contributers... and yet, still!!!, he is defended.............

k
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O yea, and then start some crazy hate game against our nations historical  protectors...  what a great administration..