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Offline Martlet

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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2003, 09:59:35 AM »
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The Americans winning PR points every second here...


I think it's fairly obvious you either don't realize we could care less about PR, or you have no clue what PR is.

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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2003, 10:03:13 AM »
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I think it's fairly obvious you either don't realize we could care less about PR, or you have no clue what PR is.


Ya, CC, PR may have been the wrong word to have been used.

But i do realize that Americans couldnt care less about what the rest of the world thinks...
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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2003, 10:40:41 AM »
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"But i do realize that Americans couldnt care less about what the rest of the world thinks..."

Glad that has finally dawned on you.....

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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2003, 10:42:40 AM »
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Glad that has finally dawned on you.....


Its been obvious for decades...
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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2003, 03:10:54 PM »
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Its been obvious for decades...


Not so obvious... Some people still wonder why someone would hijack an airliner and drive it into one of our tallest buildings.
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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2003, 03:16:16 PM »
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Some people still wonder why someone would hijack an airliner and drive it into one of our tallest buildings.


Yes i know, i wasnt speaking for the Americans...

I know that ALOT of the Americans had no clue that their goverments politics offended anyone...

And 70% of the Americans thinks that the Iraq war is about 9/11.

Well i guess that all hope aint lost yet, i met this "All American" dude Vince at a bar in a small town of Sweden last week, to say the least he had an eye opener by his visit here...
« Last Edit: November 30, 2003, 03:22:53 PM by Maniac »
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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2003, 05:24:23 PM »
GScholz, I believe you were in the service, I believe you served in Bosnia.  Never said you didn't.   And I respect that you did your time.  I still don't believe you ever participated in a real battle, a real firefight, and to your credit, you have not claimed you did. You just seem to want to act like it, and have others think you did.  

I think driving in a convoy that might be sniped would be unnerving.  BUT, I still don't think that is the same as a small group of men on foot or in a vehicle coming under sustained close combat, being shot at at close range by multiple attackers.  You badmouthed American soldiers who were in exactly that situation, and I won't forget that.  They were not just sniped at, they were under direct assault.  

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So you criticise me for being critical to soldiers because you don't believe I've seen any combat, yet by your own admission has not seen any yourself. You've never been a soldier, yet you seem to think you can tell whether I have been one or not.
 

Never said you weren't a soldier, never said you didn't serve.  Just dont believe you were ever in a true battle.  Tell me if I am wrong.  I have never before heard a combat experienced soldier bad mouth troops under fire for defending themselves until I happened upon your posts.  That was a first.   Every other combat experienced soldier understood more than you seemed to.

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But i do realize that Americans couldnt care less about what the rest of the world thinks...

Maniac,
Like Cabby, I am glad that you finally realized that.  If we spent all our time worrying about what others think, we would be afraid to do anything.  I think better the rest of the world worries about what we think of them, it is a fact that many countries rely upon us for support in many ways.  When we start letting our fear of others opinion control our nation and it's actions, we cede the right to control ourselves.  We choose not to do that.  

Not to mention we could bomb all the rest of you into the stone age.   :eek:

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You lambast him for making baseless comments on subjects he doesn't understand, but you do exactly the same time and time again.


Dowding, I will respond to persons like GScholz anytime and in any way I care to, and I will not take direction from you.  When he starts bad mouthing your countries soldiers as they fight and die, you can decide to accept it or you can decide to stand up to him.  Until then, you aren't involved.  

And as far as what anyone in Europe thinks of the USA, we are secure in the knowledge that the USA is the greatest nation on earth.  The vast majority of the animosty expressed by sniveling Eurotrash is spawned of deep seated jealousy and resentment that we are in fact a great nation, our standard of living is probably the very best in the world on average, and we don't have to give a dam if anyone likes it or not.

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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2003, 05:35:00 PM »
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But i do realize that Americans couldnt care less about what the rest of the world thinks...



As opposed to Sweden? Sweden pretty much has always looked out for, ummmm .... Sweden .

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« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2003, 05:54:35 PM »
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Sweden acknowledges international courts, you do not.


Yes! International courts, where Syrian ad Iranian judges hold sawy over the USA on human rights matters... What a pathetic joke....

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« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2003, 06:28:42 PM »
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Sweden acknowledges international courts, you do not.


What international court order did we disobey?

Let's step back and take a look at the nations in history that have been the most powerful in their time. Look back at all of them and tell me one that didn't use their power to dominate other countries and basically take what they wanted from others. You think any one of them ever bowed to or even considered world opinion?

Now look at the US. We don't go around taking over or attacking countries just because we feel like it. Get a clue, or better yet, why not get off our backs and jump onto the backs of the REAL problem countries of this world.

Give us a break, please. We are FAR from being an evil nation in a world FULL of evil and corrupt nations, yet  because we attacked Iraq , we can't be trusted???? Who can you trust then? My God, people amaze me to no end.

We are pretty damn benevolent if you ask me. The world is lucky that a country such as ours is the one with all this power..... and restraint!  You may not like everything we do, but  you must aknowledge that we are a  peaceful nation and slow to rush into war.

We have given aid to many many countries and helped maintain peace beyond the extent that most other nations ever have.

And why point out that the US attacked Iraq without "permission" and yet not seem to give a damn or mention all the other countries around the world that have attacked and been attacked without "permission"?

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« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2003, 07:41:25 PM »
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but I have been in fire fights and I have been shot at by almost any conventional weapon class there is from pistol to artillery. On one occasion the lead truck in our convoy was disabled by mortar fire and when the Pakistani BMP's came to help us extract the driver and withdraw my squad MG-3 was dry, we had no shells left for the Karl Gustav and I was down to two mags left for my rifle and the other two riflemen in my squad weren't better off. That time we were lucky, the Pakistani armor saved us just as we were running out of ammo.  


GScholz, this is all I ever asked from you.  I wanted to know if you had actually been in combat, not just in a combat zone.  I do offer my apologies as to my accusations that you had not experienced combat.  I will take your word on your experience, if you are not honest, it is something you will have to live with.  

I will harrass you no longer and hope that we can move forward on this board with respect for each others nation.

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« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2003, 07:43:07 PM »
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I will harrass you no longer, or at least until you again show any more disrespect towards our troops.  


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« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2003, 07:45:21 PM »
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I think better the rest of the world worries about what we think of them, it is a fact that many countries rely upon us for support in many ways. When we start letting our fear of others opinion control our nation and it's actions, we cede the right to control ourselves. We choose not to do that.


Fear of others opinion?

Try to value others opinions instead...

Yes and the countrys that rely on your support has indeed sent troops to Irak, even if the citizens of these countrys has a vast majority of being against this, these countrys goverments have ruled that the support from America is way more important then their own citizens opinions.

Afterall you do realize how many nations are in Irak right now right?

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Not to mention we could bomb all the rest of you into the stone age.  


Yes i know. With WMD.
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« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2003, 08:02:19 PM »
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With WMD.


Yup, and dont forget it.  :rofl
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« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2003, 08:39:36 PM »
Ahh yes, another thread hijacked by foreigners judging what the U.S. does.  Yep, the US is bad and we don't do anything for anyone else, and we will attack you at the drop of a hat just for the fun of it and all of our citizens are complete morons.  Does that about sum it up?
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