Author Topic: Last days of Luftwaffe setup. (Read 2208 times)

artik · « **on:** December 01, 2003, 02:43:36 PM »

The war is almost over - but LW is still operational. It pushed from both fronts from eastern by VVS and from Western by RAF and USAF.

LW still has technological advantage over other air forces - it uses Jets.

Three countries involved and operate following squadrons:

Bishops: USAF and RAF

P-51D
P-47D30
Spitfire Mk XIV
Tempest Mk V
Mosquito Mk VI
B-17 - from rear bases
B-26 - from rear bases
C-47
M-3, M-8, M-16

Knights: LW

109G-10
190D-9
190F-8
Ta-152
Me 262 from one central base only.
Me 163 from one central base only
Ar 234 from one central base only.
Ju-88
Bf 110G-2
Ju-52 (C-47)
Panzer, Ostwind, Tiger

Rooks: VVS

La-7
Yak-9U
Yak-9T
Il-2
C-47
M3, M-16, T-34 (Panzer)

The map is Ruhr - when the western part is Bishops (UASF, RAF), estern is Rooks (VVS) and the central is knights when Jets are avialable only at one central field - nothing is perked.
Heavy USAF bomber are avialable from rear bases only.

Fuel burn raitio is 2.0.

What do you think about it?

daddog · « **Reply #1 on:** December 01, 2003, 02:51:02 PM »

Looks like fun!

I love the P-38. I know most don't like it or fly it much. It is the L which came out late in the war. Any chance of adding that?

artik · « **Reply #2 on:** December 01, 2003, 03:19:39 PM »

I personally have no problem with P-38 - but this setup is only suggestion. I'm not in CT CM team and I only can bring good ideas.

So what do you think Brady, Jester, Arlo, ... all CT CMs?

AH has a lot of late war planes - so we can use it interesting:aok

MajorDay · « **Reply #3 on:** December 01, 2003, 03:42:49 PM »

FINALLY! Im glad that ME 262 is now enable for CT

Jester · « **Reply #4 on:** December 01, 2003, 03:50:19 PM »

Would have to add Panzer IV , P-38 & Typhoon for US/UK forces.
ME-109G-6 & Fw-190A8 for Axis forces. (They were still widely used till end of the war)

I would be willing to do a set-up like this if it is agreeable to all the CT players.

Lets hear it folks.

Dennis · « **Reply #5 on:** December 01, 2003, 03:57:35 PM »

Not my cup o' tea.

I'm sure some will enjoy it.

Splash1

Oldman731 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 01, 2003, 04:02:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Jester
I would be willing to do a set-up like this if it is agreeable to all the CT players.

Lets hear it folks.

Well, why not. We've had the 262s before; I think most people who flew them found them to be not so effective as they thought, but they do drag in a bunch of MA people, so the numbers should be up (Spit 14 and Temp would do that, too). My only concern is that the numbers will be 2-1 v. the Axis, because there are a surprising number of people who will only fly Allied, and you've got an extra Allied side here.

Why don't we do it and see what happens?

- oldman

Squire · « **Reply #7 on:** December 01, 2003, 04:05:07 PM »

"Why don't we do it and see what happens?"

Because the world will end you fool!!!

B17Skull12 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 01, 2003, 05:35:53 PM »

im loving the sound of it.

scJazz · « **Reply #9 on:** December 01, 2003, 07:28:09 PM »

I like the idea in general. However I'd like to offer a few thoughts.

1) Don't do it anytime soon. I want my PTO fix with the Hellcat (NOTE: PTO setups that do not include the Hellcat are in fact screwed up and not really PTO maps). I want a middle of the war setup '42 - '43. I'm sick of alternating places that suck with planes that are dominating. Can we please have some mediocre airplanes?

2) Could split such a setup into 2 parts. First few days we do USAF/RAF vs LW last half of week we do VVS vs LW. Set the unused portion of the map to Neutral country with messed up enabled AC lists on fields, etc, etc.

3) No single bases for 262s, Temps, etc. A few (2 - 5) bases spread evenly across the map.

4) No sticking the buffs in the corner. 50 to 75 miles from the front is just fine.

5) Ditto Jester's comments regarding extra planes.

Arlo · « **Reply #10 on:** December 01, 2003, 07:39:28 PM »

And there's those ... ummm ... incidents where Soviet fighters fired on U.S. fighters (and visa versa) that tested the limits of the Alliance. Who's to say such a thing wouldn't happen in this setup and ignite an occasional three-way free-for-all (and have the Allied ambassadors running around in circles trying to put out fires)?

As far as 2v1 is concerned ... be it a two sided, three sided or thirteen sided setup, it's really still within the realm of the players to keep things balanced. It can't be that hard to figure out how to balance a 1+1 vs. 1 by ensuring that the German side is as large as the combined Soviet/U.S. and British forces. It is, however, just as likely to waver back and forth as it does when it's just two sided.

artik · « **Reply #11 on:** December 01, 2003, 11:32:05 PM »

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2) Could split such a setup into 2 parts. First few days we do USAF/RAF vs LW last half of week we do VVS vs LW. Set the unused portion of the map to Neutral country with messed up enabled AC lists on fields, etc, etc.

No problem with others - but the hole point is 3 sides!
This would be very interesting to see LW pushed from both sides. BTW when it has non perked Jets from central fields it will balance situation - every time that both forces will come closer more and more jets will be used - and belive me they are suprior - props has nothing in same sky with jets (that what Kadesh totaly had shown).

Secondly I don't belive that the numbers will be 2:1 against LW. Just like other times they will tell - we are low numbers come to Kinghts. And it is not MA people will move.

I think it would be fun to try it.

The rest of notes - no problem.

Arlo · « **Reply #12 on:** December 02, 2003, 12:28:10 AM »

Yeah .... take an idea and extreme it to death.

Slash27 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 02, 2003, 12:48:06 AM »

Sounds like fun to me. Try not to limit the LW too much with perks or "limited to one base" stuff. Fine idea Artik:aok

artik · « **Reply #14 on:** December 02, 2003, 01:34:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Slash27
Sounds like fun to me. Try not to limit the LW too much with perks or "limited to one base" stuff. Fine idea Artik:aok

The Jets should be limited at one or two bases because otherwise you will see absolutly air supriority of LW.

If LW has Me262, Me163, Ar234 unlimited they will be almost untochable - Me163 will be like SAMs, Me262 is absolutly suprioir over props - just need some experience in gunnery, and Ar234 will be just unstopable bomber.

I do not want perks not to limit players to fly jets but putting jets at the center of the map it will make reasonable numbers of jet planes and will balance gamepay even if it is going to be 2:1 relation.

I remeber Kadesh scenario - props was not just outclassed they was out of gameplay. Most of them were down in first hour of the event - we must limit jets some way but - not to limit them too much to give LW chance versus 2 other airforces.