Author Topic: the lazs MA strat idea... (Read 5040 times)

MetaTron · « **Reply #30 on:** December 03, 2003, 10:09:02 AM »

Go ahead and set it up. I will make good use of the perks. In order to stop me your furballers will lose assistance when people attempt to defend and your furball wont have time to develop.

muckmaw · « **Reply #31 on:** December 03, 2003, 10:10:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Batz
That already happens. Try not to over think it.

Don't you think it would happen much more frequently?

Batz · « **Reply #32 on:** December 03, 2003, 10:23:10 AM »

More frequently then fuel porking?

No, weren't you a buffer? I remember 1 thread in which you said you were on a 3-hour bomber run and IIRC it ended in a few seconds after contact with the enemy. I will dig up that thread later.

Imagine all the 262s and 163s you would find hanging over the strat objects. Plus 90% of the people in ah can't bomb anyway.

You may see large raids but you will see a more concentrated defense by those who care about losing. Those who care nothing about win lose will be out fur balling. If a reset happens it all starts again in 5 min.

Beats 30 min of porked fuel.

Toad · « **Reply #33 on:** December 03, 2003, 10:32:21 AM »

Single, best, fastest change HT could make would be to make fuel have a minimum 50% limit.

It would put "preventing field capture" emphasis where it belongs, on troop sources.

It'd allow the early and mid-war planes enough fuel to operate.

But, hey...... fuel is easy to pork and I'm sure some people glory in their success at it.

Virage · « **Reply #34 on:** December 03, 2003, 10:44:48 AM »

Batz..

you would really prefer a game design by Lazs over a game design by pyro/hitech?

"Hate the game, not the player"

Zanth · « **Reply #35 on:** December 03, 2003, 10:49:29 AM »

Sometime ago HTC (I suppose to try to further highlight thier AI strat system?), neutered the player resupply capability. Seems to me this is when our real trouble started, and the fix is pretty easy.

Batz · « **Reply #36 on:** December 03, 2003, 11:04:09 AM »

HT and Pyro didn’t have master plan for game play in the main. Things were added over time. As they were added AW'ers came over and game play began to shift out of balance.

I don't play ah anymore because main game play is terrible 90% of the time. It's the strat player that pork’s fuel, not HT or Laz. It’s the "strat" player that suicides cvs, fighter hangers not HT or Laz.

But (you can search my previous replies to check) as said before you can kill yourself 1000 times a day as long as it has no impact on me.

If want to be a war winning main "Hero" go ahead. BTW numerous folks have made similar suggestion to Laz in this thread. Search that as well.

Zanth re-supply was altered because strat once again complained how fruitless their efforts were. Search for those posts as well.

muckmaw · « **Reply #37 on:** December 03, 2003, 11:04:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Batz
More frequently then fuel porking?

No, weren't you a buffer? I remember 1 thread in which you said you were on a 3-hour bomber run and IIRC it ended in a few seconds after contact with the enemy. I will dig up that thread later.

Imagine all the 262s and 163s you would find hanging over the strat objects. Plus 90% of the people in ah can't bomb anyway.

You may see large raids but you will see a more concentrated defense by those who care about losing. Those who care nothing about win lose will be out fur balling. If a reset happens it all starts again in 5 min.

Beats 30 min of porked fuel.

Batz-

I don't remember a 3 hour buff mission, but it is possible. I've done numerous 1-2 hour jobs, but 3 hours is heavy even for me. I get bored too, you know.

I'm not debating whether or not Lazs idea is a good or bad one. I honestly do not know the answer, and don't have much of a feeling either way.

I would be in support of anything that put Historic Style Heavy Bombing back in the game because this is one aspect I miss. The past few tours (When I was more active, my time was about evenly split between Fighter, Heavy Bombing and Jabo.

When I say historic, I mean med-heavy bombers flying at altitude, preferably with fighter escort. There's NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING in AH I hate more than guys who dive bomb in B-17s or fly Lancs on the deck.

My only problem is that I'm not sure this idea was presented with the best interest of people like me in mind.

Zanth · « **Reply #38 on:** December 03, 2003, 11:51:45 AM »

Whereas I take it a general truth that AI should never have more impact on the game than players, and whereas ineffective resupply encourages porkers of all breeds, just make player resupply effective again (and give them points as well as perks for doing it).

LePaul · « **Reply #39 on:** December 03, 2003, 11:52:52 AM »

Its been interesting to sit on the runway, see an enemy JABO dive, blow up gas and auger. Then 10 mins later, another does the same. Field now at 25% gas. No one complains about this. But if a bomber knocked down the fighter hangars after a long flight, careful sight alignment and defending itself from cons...we're ruining the game.

Someone suggested in the Gameplay forum giving solo buffs the old sight back...formations use the existing sight. I thought that was a good compromise.

The larger strat target sounds good...but that would require fighter guys, like laz...who get nose bleeds above 3k

, to make an effort to intercept them. I dont see it happening. Most of the furballers hate the buffs because it requires them to go from chasing cons down low to anything strategic, like defend a base from incoming bombers.

It would just be the same old same old...all over again

Batz · « **Reply #40 on:** December 03, 2003, 12:16:38 PM »

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Its been interesting to sit on the runway, see an enemy JABO dive, blow up gas and auger. Then 10 mins later, another does the same. Field now at 25% gas. No one complains about this.

LOL are you blind? This has be brought 1 million times. Even HT started a thread to explore ways to address this (well he could have started the thread to let the ideas flow so that folks would see that theres no clear way to deal with it but thats just speculation).

Search Suicide Jabos, pork and auger etc.......

You are living the past. Most would agree bombers have far less an impact on gamplay today then the old fluffers. But the same type of guy suiciding the fuel is the same guy that fluffed the FHS. He's a war winning impact playa......

The only guys who would intercept the strat resetters under laz's suggestion are those who care about being reset. I doudt any furballer would not give a crap. Anyway there would be plenty of metavoss's and widemouths in 163s/262s for defense.

muckmaw · « **Reply #41 on:** December 03, 2003, 12:20:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Batz

You are living the past. Most would agree bombers have far less an impact on gamplay today then the old fluffers. But the same type of guy suiciding the fuel is the same guy fluffing that fluffed the FHS. He's a war winning impact playa......

You are incorrect, Batz.

I can speak from experience. I personally have always used level bombers from my first day in AH 2 years ago, to take out fighter hangars in an attempt to either take pressure off a friendly base, or prep an enemy base for capture.

I have never once, not once intentionally suicided any ground target.

I would venture to say many if not most dedicated bomber pilots are the same as I am.

A suicide Jabo dweeb and a Buff driver are 2 very different animals.

LePaul · « **Reply #42 on:** December 03, 2003, 12:25:09 PM »

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Originally posted by muckmaw

A suicide Jabo dweeb and a Buff driver are 2 very different animals.

Agreed.

lazs2 · « **Reply #43 on:** December 03, 2003, 02:29:02 PM »

people are complaining about the suicide fuel porkers just as they did about the talentless fluffer milkrunners who took out fighter hangers.

I don't really believe there would be resets every couple of hours with the capitol spred out over a sector either.... the idea is so simple and flexible in any case... just harden the targets or change resupply or regeneration time to adjust reset time.

sooo.... the idea is bad because.... lazs suggested it and everyone knows that he is a devious furballer with nobody but his own interest at heart? I would beg to differ... it is the "strat" guys who car nothing about the dozens of players they affect so long as they get to spoil peoples fun for very little effort.

It might even be fun to use some of my 12,000 or so perk points to 163 it into a bomber stream and escorts.... maybe not... just more options IMO.

A country that had a lot of bases would not be as vulnerable because they would put 4 or more sectors between attackers and capitol.... attackers would still need to capture bases to launch effective attacks.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #44 on:** December 03, 2003, 02:31:36 PM »

oh.... a bunch of people hated my "bring the 163 to AH" idea for the same reasons.... Lazs suggested it so it can't be good for the talentless and attention starved...

have some confidence in yourselves.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's