Author Topic: Amazing P38 flight characteristics (Read 2326 times)

mos · « **Reply #15 on:** December 07, 2003, 03:28:19 AM »

Yeah. I'm certainly not Ack-Ack, but I've learned enough to fly above 450 without compressing. It just takes some practice.

mold · « **Reply #16 on:** December 07, 2003, 08:11:15 AM »

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Originally posted by mia389
Also if you follow it up, in something like a G10 or 51 the fight can get into a stall fight very fast. You dont want to stall fight a P38 in a P51 or any 190,109. 38 rocks:D

Not with the G10, mate. After the zoom, I lead you in a slow spiral in my rocketsled. Then wait for you to stall or level, and then BnZ. Done this a couple times, quite satisfying. Would've had em too, if I could hit the Titanic on a calm day.

Murdr · « **Reply #17 on:** December 07, 2003, 11:05:26 AM »

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Originally posted by mold
Not with the G10, mate. After the zoom, I lead you in a slow spiral in my rocketsled. Then wait for you to stall or level, and then BnZ. Done this a couple times, quite satisfying. Would've had em too, if I could hit the Titanic on a calm day.

what does this have to do with following a 38 up? Pay attention

AtmkRstr · « **Reply #18 on:** December 07, 2003, 11:26:59 AM »

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Originally posted by mia389
Also if you follow it up, in something like a G10 or 51 the fight can get into a stall fight very fast. You dont want to stall fight a P38 in a P51 or any 190,109. 38 rocks:D

Actually, I'd stall fight a 38 in any of those planes any day. The 38 is so big that one close range snap shot is almost a guaranteed kill.

mold · « **Reply #19 on:** December 07, 2003, 12:14:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Murdr
what does this have to do with following a 38 up? Pay attention

"After the zoom." Pay attention.

mold · « **Reply #20 on:** December 07, 2003, 12:28:01 PM »

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Originally posted by AtmkRstr
Actually, I'd stall fight a 38 in any of those planes any day. The 38 is so big that one close range snap shot is almost a guaranteed kill.

Nah, I wouldn't--in the G10, anyway. That damn 20mm is so hard to aim unless you're saddled up. Pony vs FTD, the FTD wins hand down on climb, and pretty much hands down on turning unless the 51 gets lucky.

davidpt40 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 07, 2003, 12:41:03 PM »

I did some testing. Well the P38L will start shaking but not lose control at 450ias. When tas (not ias) creeps above 500, thats when control decreases.

WldThing · « **Reply #22 on:** December 07, 2003, 01:32:29 PM »

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Originally posted by mold
Pony vs FTD, the FTD wins hand down on climb, and pretty much hands down on turning unless the 51 gets lucky.

Or maybe the 51 is a better pilot?

WldThing · « **Reply #23 on:** December 07, 2003, 01:37:49 PM »

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The P-38 is a better fighter in the vertical than the P-51 as it retains its E far better. Get a co-E and co-alt P-51 and P-38 and take them in the vertical and the P-51D will stall out before the P-38 does.

Most smart pilots wont go into a vertical if they know their planes advantages and disadvantages. If a P38 pilots goes into a vertical climb on the merge, i might take it easy on my joystick to not lose much Speed, with him having the alt advantage after climbing i rely on Angles and getting him to start rolling with me, once he's tricked into thinking that ive evened up speed-alt with him he panics and dies.

mold · « **Reply #24 on:** December 07, 2003, 03:38:09 PM »

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Originally posted by WldThing
Or maybe the 51 is a better pilot?

Goes without saying. All these statements apply to equivalent pilots who know the strengths/weaknesses of the respective planes. If you were in a Pony, would you stallfight a 38 knowing the other is a good 38 pilot?

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #25 on:** December 07, 2003, 04:59:43 PM »

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Originally posted by AtmkRstr
Actually, I'd stall fight a 38 in any of those planes any day. The 38 is so big that one close range snap shot is almost a guaranteed kill.

The only problem with that is that the P-38 is a better stall fighter than both of those planes. So unless the P-38 driver really mucks up the engagement, being a big target is not an issue.

ack-ack

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #26 on:** December 07, 2003, 05:02:12 PM »

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Originally posted by davidpt40
I did some testing. Well the P38L will start shaking but not lose control at 450ias. When tas (not ias) creeps above 500, thats when control decreases.

Below 10,000ft you can get a P-38 past 500mph and still have control. Of course control will be a little sluggish because of the increased airflow but you won't enter into compressability and you will still be able to maneuver and at high speeds the P-38 has an incredibly fast roll rate.

ack-ack

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #27 on:** December 07, 2003, 05:04:28 PM »

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Originally posted by WldThing
Most smart pilots wont go into a vertical if they know their planes advantages and disadvantages. If a P38 pilots goes into a vertical climb on the merge, i might take it easy on my joystick to not lose much Speed, with him having the alt advantage after climbing i rely on Angles and getting him to start rolling with me, once he's tricked into thinking that ive evened up speed-alt with him he panics and dies.

I think you tried that a few days ago against a co-alt P-38 and ended up being chased down and killed.

ack-ack

WldThing · « **Reply #28 on:** December 07, 2003, 06:44:35 PM »

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I think you tried that a few days ago against a co-alt P-38 and ended up being chased down and killed.

Few weeks ago, chased down? Try again, i could have run if i wanted too, merely outdived you. BTW I've fought you in the DA 38 vs 51 6-7 months ago, your 38 didnt stand much a chance.

O one more thing, our fight in the MA started at 20k-25k, but our DA fights were at 5k... My lack of air that high must have cut off the blood to my head

Im not invincible, i die alot

killnu · « **Reply #29 on:** December 07, 2003, 07:01:46 PM »

your not invincible? just when i thought i knew everything you have to go and prove me wrong:(

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