Originally posted by brady
I have always Known (even when I was helping Kanttori to find info for this map) that F4U-4's and C hog's were at Okinawa, Givien the Allies Signastudmuffinant advantages in spead and ordance delevery abalitys in this present set up, I feal that adding the Hog and the -4 would realy be unjustifiable in the present set up( the later more so than the former given that they were operational at the very end of the battle and got only 9 kills for entire war.)
OK this is just the latest example of Brady's no F4U-1C argument. He has repeated himself many times on this subject and we've all read it many times. For the record I'll repeat his comments now in English with proper spelling.
1) The C-Hog is just way too fast
2) The C-Hog has far too much JABO capability
3) The damage the 20mm M2 rounds does is just way too hideous when dealing with the IJN/IJAAF paper airplanes
OK so let's examine each of these items a bit closer.
1) The C-Hog is exactly the same speed as the D-Hog which we are allowed to have.
2) If the C-Hogs JABO ability is considered extreme then why in hell is the P47-D30 included? Jug-30 carries roughly 60% more droppable ordnance, 4060lbs vs 2640lbs. At this point Brady points out the guns causing hellish levels of damage in JABO runs. Right...
The C-Hog goes through 932 rounds of 20mm ammo in 21 seconds. Each round does 4.03lbs of damage to a ground target. This works out to 3755bs of damage for the entire load at 178.85lbs of damage per second.
The P47-D30 goes through 3400 rounds of .50 ammo in 32 seconds. Each round does 1.17lbs of damage to a ground target. This works out to 3978lbs of damage for the entire load at 124.3125lbs of damage per second.
As seen by these figures the P47-D30 has guns capable of delivering about 200lbs more damage to a ground target. However it's guns deliver roughly 70% the damage per second that a C-Hog's can.
3) Look IJN/IJAAF aircraft are paper thin to any kind of gun. If we could get a setup that had Hurri I's and Zeke's we'd see that even a .303 armed plane needs a 0.1 second burst in order to make a Zeke explode. However we can have the P47 which can unload 106 rounds a second. We can not have a plane that fires 44 rounds a second. Even though the 20mm M2 has slightly less range and accuracy than a .50 M2.
An object example using the Shore Batteries as the target (the hardest targets in setup).
P47-D30 dives in and unloads all under carriage weapons. At this point the SB has taken 4060lbs of damage and needs just 940lbs more to blow up. Using guns this will require 7.5 seconds of fire which can be done in 2 to 3 passes. If done perfectly the Jug now has 2596 rounds on board or 76% of its' ammo supply, 23.5 seconds of fire left.
C-Hog dives in and unloads all under carriage weapons. At this point the SB has taken 2640lbs of damage and needs just 2360lbs more to blow up. Using guns this will require 13.2 seconds of fire which can be done in 4 to 6 passes. If done perfectly the C-Hog now has 346 rounds on board or 37% of its' ammo supply, 7.8 seconds of fire left.
Would you rather take the Jug or the Hog on the lone wolf blow up the SB mission?
Gun and Rocket damage source is myself as posted in Aircraft and Vehicles forum, "Analysis of Aircraft Guns" thread.
So what is the conclusion we can draw from all of this?
1) Brady's whole C-Hogs are too good at JABO argument is junk. You can tell it is junk because we can have a P47-D30.
2) Since the D-Hog and C-Hog are both SLOWER than the Hog-1 that whole "too speedy" thing is junk as well.
3) Brady is stating opinions about what he thinks a C-Hog is capable of rather than using facts backed up by math. Which is pretty much what we've come to expect.
4) Brady pretty much doesn't know squat about the AH environment and has never taken the time to learn. Kinda weird considering the responsibility he has been given.
Oh, as an added bonus the cannon armed IJN/IJAAF aircraft can strafe a GV much more easily than the MG armed Allied AC. I won't even mention the conga line streams of KI67s heading toward the CVs and what a pain it is to blast them with MGs.
Brady... if I had the money I'd buy you a whole warehouse full of clues!
