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Offline GScholz

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« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2003, 04:51:04 PM »
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Well, yeah, ideally if you die you suffer realistic consequences, like you get booted from the game, your account is closed, and you are consigned to an AH-less hell.  :D But I don't think HTC is gonna go for that.


Not if you die ... if you suicide. Unsportsmanlike behaviour should be punished. I can understand that HTC might think banning players is bad for business, but on the other hand how many players are quitting because of this? How many new players are discouraged because of vulching, ganging, spawncamping and other "gamey" tactics?

Like I said most other multiplayer games have rules governing player behaviour. Fighter Ace for instance prohibits "unsportsmanlike" behaviour and airfield denial tactics (vulching/camping), it's actually stated in their End User Agreement at the penalty of banning. Even most QUAKE and CT servers prohibit camping.
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« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2003, 07:45:37 PM »
Ok just to jump back into this one for a sec....
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I remember the days in AW when base defenses were turned up.. As stated previously the idea of a one ping death at 12k agl over a enemy base was very possible. 88mm in AH now I feel is one of the worst aspects of the game.. To be far removed from a fight and die from a 1 ping 'AI' hit is, well, bs.... IMO making AI defenses stronger, more accurate, more deadly would be a poor mistake. We play this game to play other folks... Not the computer... Randomization is BS........

If I remember correctly Fester was asking for manned 88's and a few more ack spread out.  Which would be different than the AI tweeks you described.  I only used the AW acks as an example of experience.
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The only way of "controlling" behaviour is doing just that ... CONTROLLING behaviour.

I would guess you are politically way left of center.  HTC should mandate everything to your way of thinking.  Fortunatly, HTC continues the online flight sim tradition of supplying tools to deal with issues rather than butting in with idealist rules.  

From reading past furball/strat arguments.  Most furballers could give a rats behind if people find it fun to attack a tool shed, die, and do it all over again.  The problem arises when they have a disproportional impact on other peoples game play (which is magnified by certian maps that we have shoved on us for a week at a time).  Rather than lessen the impact, you would rather control behavior?  Like I said in weaker terms before...what the **** is the difference between other players inpacting your playing style, and you forcing them to play the way you want?  Nothing.

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Unsportsmanlike behaviour should be punished. I can understand that HTC might think banning players is bad for business, but on the other hand how many players are quitting because of this? How many new players are discouraged because of vulching, ganging, spawncamping and other "gamey" tactics?

Like I said most other multiplayer games have rules governing player behaviour. Fighter Ace for instance prohibits "unsportsmanlike" behaviour and airfield denial tactics (vulching/camping), it's actually stated in their End User Agreement at the penalty of banning. Even most QUAKE and CT servers prohibit camping.

Go play FA then.  If AH players wanted FA's structure, that is where they would be.  Lol all of the stuff you are complaining about were realities in WW2.  In these huge maps, with enemy counters and flashing icons, its your fault if you let any of those happen a second time. Ok, mabey not spawncamping, but the only gamey part of that is remote spawning.  Militarily, it would be foolish not to take advantage of ambushing when the opportunity is presented.  The last time I spawned into a camper, that tiger ate my m8 rounds a minute later.  Provide tools, dont mandate.

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« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2003, 08:17:22 PM »
LOL! Driving CV almost onto land to cover an airfield in ack was a "reality" in WWII? Suicidebombing and then grabbing another ride and suicide all over again was a "reality"?

For your information the WERE rules and a code of conduct in WWII aerial combat. None of which are followed here.
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« Reply #48 on: December 15, 2003, 08:22:04 PM »
Well Said Murdr.  What your stating makes a great deal of sense.  

BTW Nice job clipping my Mossie tail off earlier tonight.  You killed a great kill streak of mine.  I thought I was staying out of flak range while capping that field but you hit me with a great shot from distance.  

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« Reply #49 on: December 15, 2003, 08:24:39 PM »
It's covered under the "Unsportsmanlike behavior" section of the Geneva convention. :rolleyes:

Gunther ... you're going nowhere fast with this soapbox campaign. But ... hey ... it's your time to waste. :D

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« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2003, 08:26:07 PM »
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LOL! Driving CV almost onto land to cover an airfield in ack was a "reality" in WWII?

Resorting to adding to the list of complaints now eh?
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Suicidebombing and then grabbing another ride and suicide all over again was a "reality"?
Read the news, suicide bombing happens alot, except in reality they find another fool to take the next trip.

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For your information the WERE rules and a code of conduct in WWII aerial combat. None of which are followed here.
Like say, American bomber escorts waiting for the Germans to RTB fuel and shoot them down on approach?

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« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2003, 08:36:57 PM »
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Read the news, suicide bombing happens alot, except in reality they find another fool to take the next trip.


How many of those suicidebombers pick up another bomb and do it all over again? How many did it in a P-51 or other jabo? Idiot.


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Like say, American bomber escorts waiting for the Germans to RTB fuel and shoot them down on approach?


And when has this been called dweebery? Lowering your landing gear was/is a sign of surrender ... at least until the bloody 100th violated that rule. Shooting a pilot in a parachute is in fact a violation of the Geneva Convention, still some US pilots did that (that SOB Yeager for instance). Hmmm I'm seeing a pattern here.


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Gunther ... you're going nowhere fast with this soapbox campaign. But ... hey ... it's your time to waste. :D


I know, but I'm also wasting your time so it's ok. :D
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« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2003, 08:40:12 PM »
No you're not, Gunther. You're amusing if not practical. :D

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« Reply #53 on: December 15, 2003, 08:47:22 PM »
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Read the news, suicide bombing happens alot, except in reality they find another fool to take the next trip.
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How many of those suicidebombers pick up another bomb and do it all over again? How many did it in a P-51 or other jabo? Idiot.


:rofl Funny how the Code of Conduct advocate is now resorting to personal attacks...Im not calling names, but who looks like a what when they blast the first half of a sentence, and ignore the content of the other half?

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« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2003, 08:52:23 PM »
No Murdr wouldn't resort to personal attacks ... no not Murdr.

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I would guess you are politically way left of center.  
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« Reply #55 on: December 15, 2003, 09:01:07 PM »
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I would guess you are politically way left of center.  


Many people would take this as a complement.  Now its equal to calling someone Idiot?...who knew?

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« Reply #56 on: December 15, 2003, 09:01:55 PM »
Looks like he was offended by your appraisal of his political stance, Murd. :(

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« Reply #57 on: December 15, 2003, 09:06:41 PM »
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Not if you die ... if you suicide. Unsportsmanlike behaviour should be punished. I can understand that HTC might think banning players is bad for business, but on the other hand how many players are quitting because of this? How many new players are discouraged because of vulching, ganging, spawncamping and other "gamey" tactics?


While I agree with you that players should play honorably, I don't think that this should be forced.  One of the problems is that everyone has a different idea of what "unsportsmanlike" means.  Some folks will vulch and shoot chutes because it is "just a game", but will not steal kills because that is part of their personal code of conduct.  At the other extreme, someone else might consider attacking any con at a lower alt to be dishonorable!  

Another problem is that if you use rules rather than incentives, people find ways of getting around the rules and you're back at square one.

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« Reply #58 on: December 15, 2003, 09:09:04 PM »
What incentive are you suggesting other than if everyone played the way you wanted them to, you'd be happier? :D

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« Reply #59 on: December 15, 2003, 09:22:51 PM »
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What incentive are you suggesting other than if everyone played the way you wanted them to, you'd be happier? :D


LOL.  OK, that's sorta a good point.  :) Let me see--well, how about this.  Solving the suicide dweeb problem makes the game more balanced.  Well, yeah that's kind of a half-assed justification, but what to do.  Greatest good for the greatest number, maybe?  Encourages skill building?  Gives me more kills?  Yeah, I like that last one. :D