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Offline lord dolf vader

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« Reply #60 on: December 22, 2003, 06:12:16 AM »
the marine major general directly and completly quoted clearly stated that is exactly the case.

and hell yea the kennedys were up to their necks in it. and lost severls ( necks ) in the process.

this is the point.

"evil industrialists control the U.S. government and get it to declare war so they can make obscene profits"



now how many young lives exactly making insanly rich people more rich worth to you personaly? since that is the real reason behind just about all war. dispersions dont count who cares if kennedys were evil also? its bigger than that our young die for bankers bottom line and always have. wrap your head around that one befor you dismiss it because it hurts like your trained to. free your mind and your bellybutton will follow.

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« Reply #61 on: December 22, 2003, 08:55:05 AM »
Stalin's paranoia didn't die with him.

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« Reply #62 on: December 22, 2003, 12:45:59 PM »
just follow the money.  who gets richer?  who gets dead?

the wealthy are the ONLY americans to gain anything from this war.  not all wars, but this is one that fits the patern.

as general Butler stated there are 2 just wars, deffence of our shores and deffence of our Bill of Rights,  all else are a racket to make the rich richer.

when we sent soldiers to afganistan, that was a direct response to the 9/11 attacks, and IMO just.  

but you would only have to pay the slightest bit of attention to see the ties between those making policy and those profiting from it.  haliburton, brown and root,  I wonder if the president knows any of the guys on those companies?

who else gains?  the soldiers who signed on to protect their country only to find that their lives are being spent for corperate profit?  

or is it the general public who sees no profit, loses friends and families in the service, and shoulders a swelling national debt? how do we gain when our sons lives are being spent so that american comanies have a secure area to ship our jobs too?

not to mention the increased threat to national security.  would 9/11 ever have occured had we not been getting involved in the politics of other countrys for the sake of protecting investments that would have served the american public better had they benn invested here?

for the sake of Bush and company we are spending the lives of our sons to prove the terrorists right.  we make it that much easier for them to recuit the next suicide bomber.

we give that much more incentive for foriegn gov'ts to suport attacks,  after all they can't beat us in a convetional war.  we are proving that we  will disregard the UN (while at the same time claiming we are here to suport the UN's directives that are being ignored.  if we don't care what the UN says, why would we spend lives to suport their directives?).

  We will take out leaders and even whole gov'ts we don't like.  if we think they may be getting strong enough to have a chance at resisting us (through WMD's that we also have), well thats just another excuse to go to war.  we have to beat them now, if we wait they may be strong enough to fight back effectively.

so why wouldn't these gov'ts and rulers suport terrorism, it's the only way they can fight us.


our gov't HAS lost it's sense of pupose.  what is the purpose of our gov't?  it's laid out fairly clearly in the pre-amble of the constitution.

1. astablish justice
2. insure DOMESTIC prosperity
3. provide for the common deffense
4. promote the general wealfare
5. ensure the blessings of liberty
for OURSELVES and OUR POSTERITY

I'm not a pacifist, their are good reasons to fight, this just isn't it.

we need to get out of the politics of other countries.

we need to create legislation that takes proffit out of war.  we can draft soldiers when their country needs them, why not companies. if companies didn't proffit from war you'd find we would be called to get involved in a lot less of them.  why should a company or wealth invester be allowed to make a fortune off of providing the tools to the man who's protecting him.

when we do have to go to war (as the general mentions, in response to a direct attack on our shores or bill of rights) do it whole hartedly, take out the enemy and invoke that age old favorite "the spoils of war", take out the enemy and hand any left a bill for the cost.  charge them for every bullet we fired at them, the wages for our soldiers, death benifts to the familys. charge them the cost to feed, train and equip our soldiers.  charge them for each vehicle lost, and the fuel to get us there.  and take whatever assets they have to pay this off.  when they have a zero ballance they can try to rebuild,  if not it's not our problem.  if we don't start or provoke the wars we can walk away with a clear conscience.

if we stay out of other counries politics, take away the cash incentive for the wealthy here to start wars, and react to attacks in a way leaves the survivers telling horror stories for generations about "the time when we screwed with America", then we would have alot less war and maybe we could use the effort and money we spend on it, for something that would make all of our lives better
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« Reply #63 on: December 22, 2003, 02:56:19 PM »
"evil industrialists control the U.S. government and get it to declare war so they can make obscene profits"
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This is a very plausible scenario.  The facts do support this.  However, these same facts support many other scenarios.

The problem in historical perspective is determining which scenario is the correct scenario and the fact remains that more than one scenario can occur simultaneously for different reasons.

In the end it all boils down to fate and the fact that humanity has a timer attached to it by the force of nature and will eventually end, sooner or later anyway.  

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« Reply #64 on: December 22, 2003, 05:22:31 PM »
Quote
This is a very plausible scenario. The facts do support this. However, these same facts support many other scenarios.

The problem in historical perspective is determining which scenario is the correct scenario and the fact remains that more than one scenario can occur simultaneously for different reasons.

In the end it all boils down to fate and the fact that humanity has a timer attached to it by the force of nature and will eventually end, sooner or later anyway.

Love is the answer

:aok

there you go, an opinion.  and a well thought out one too.  was that so hard.  :D

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« Reply #65 on: December 22, 2003, 05:36:52 PM »
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Originally posted by Yeager
"evil industrialists control the U.S. government and get it to declare war so they can make obscene profits"
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This is a very plausible scenario.  The facts do support this.  However, these same facts support many other scenarios.

The problem in historical perspective is determining which scenario is the correct scenario and the fact remains that more than one scenario can occur simultaneously for different reasons.

In the end it all boils down to fate and the fact that humanity has a timer attached to it by the force of nature and will eventually end, sooner or later anyway.  

Love is the answer.


which Love?

the Love of Money? :)
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« Reply #66 on: December 22, 2003, 06:15:09 PM »
my PERSONAL OPINION:

Anyone that has TWO (2) Medals of Honor can say or write whatever they want.

As far as this article being reletive today.  I hold no opinion.

My $0.02