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Offline Ripsnort

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I am starting to think that Bush was the right man for the job
« on: January 09, 2004, 08:59:22 AM »
Unemployment down to 5.7%

http://www.bls.gov/

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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2004, 09:05:30 AM »
The unemployment figures are not good news.  But Bush is not to blame, no politician can stop the job loss we are experiencing.

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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2004, 09:12:49 AM »
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The unemployment figures are not good news.  But Bush is not to blame, no politician can stop the job loss we are experiencing.

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Down, since March 2000, RA. No, unemployment, no matter how small, is never a good thing, but when it drops with a booming ecomony, thats a good thing. Tax cuts work. End of story. :)

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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2004, 09:17:16 AM »
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Down, since March 2000, RA. No, unemployment, no matter how small, is never a good thing, but when it drops with a booming ecomony, thats a good thing. Tax cuts work. End of story. :)

Tax cuts do work, but they can't prevent the global economic shift which is happening.  March 2000 was a low point for the economy, but it doesn't mean it was the last low point we'll ever see.  1000 jobs were created in December; 130,000 were expected.  We obviously need more Mexicans.

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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2004, 09:19:02 AM »
Bush deserves no fault or credit for unemployment.

 The persistent unemployment is not related to "strength" of the economy. Human labor is valuable and scarce, so it is only a matter of allowing the market to establish the proper market-clearing price for it.

 If a price is held artificially high, a surplus of unsold product occurs. In this case the price of labor is held above the level where hiring is profitable - due to the government labor legislation and regulations.

 Allow the wages to go lower and there will be no unemployment. The price of goods will fall more than the salaries, so the level of life will increase as a result - which is natural with more people working and the same number consuming.

 There is no way for Bush to roll back the labor legislation back to the pre-1930 levels even if he wanted to.

 The current fluctuation in unempleyments are caused by the opening of businesses with borrowed money - many of the created jobs will be lost as soon as the businesses prove unprofitable in the next recession.

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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2004, 09:20:26 AM »
Does anyone know what the current natural rate of unemployment is, due to job transitions, changing careers, etc? There will always be some unemployment due to natural causes.

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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2004, 09:22:45 AM »
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Does anyone know what the current natural rate of unemployment is, due to job transitions, changing careers, etc? There will always be some unemployment due to natural causes.


Not exactly your answer, but heres an interesting chart:


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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2004, 09:23:19 AM »
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Bush deserves no fault or credit for unemployment.
 miko


No, not directly.

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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2004, 09:25:43 AM »
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Does anyone know what the current natural rate of unemployment is, due to job transitions, changing careers, etc? There will always be some unemployment due to natural causes.

The natural rate of unemployment is just a theoretical number, but I've heard it's around 4%.  But the unemployment rate is only part of the picture.  If 10,000 electrical engineers making $80K/year lose their jobs and have to take jobs managing inventory for $35K/year, the unemployment rate stays the same but the economy takes a big hit.

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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2004, 09:26:26 AM »
Rip, your blind faith in GW Bush is admirable. Naive, but admirable.

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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2004, 09:36:59 AM »
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Rip, your blind faith in GW Bush is admirable. Naive, but admirable.


How do you know its blind? Have you watched the economic numbers and the figures over the last year? Do you have proof its blind? I have proof its not blind.  Put up or shut up.

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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2004, 10:35:27 AM »
guess who listens to am radio all morning posting right wing fascist crap on multiple boards on the bosses dime?


he knows where his gravy train is comming from.

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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2004, 10:37:11 AM »
Ripsnort: Have you watched the economic numbers and the figures over the last year? Do you have proof its blind? I have proof its not blind.  Put up or shut up.

 I am not here to denigrade Bush but rather the general economic assumptions of all post-1929 administrations.

 Taxes are goods that he government distracts from the private economy. Those goods are spent on government projects.

 If the amount of spending is not decreased, it means that the amount of taxes confiscated from the private economy has not decreased.

 The tax breaks that we got are just money. We got tax breaks, the government increased spending. But where did the resources come from? Money are not resources. They are not consumed or ised for production. Money are used to facilitate exchange of resources. It's a claim for resources.

 When government creates money, it's the only entity that gets "something from nothing". It creates more claims on the same amount of resources and thus reduces the value of the existing claims.

 Basically, the government stole value from a person's retirement account in order to lend it to a businessman who would temporarily give the job to the same person. Temporarily becasue the project will most likely fall since there was not enough resources to start it before and none were created and nobody was willing to extend him credit on merit untill the new money was created. Basically, a person payes for his own salary with a lot of waste involved.

 It has been done by all governments. We are in a regular business cycle - somewhat influenced (but not entirely controlled) by Greenspan.

 Ripsnort, employment is expence. Expense and employment are only good if they result in more value produced than spent. No private business would show increased expences as a demonstration of it's progress. Only the profits.

 Your blind faith is in believing that any expence of an artificially- caused boom are bound to result in profit. It does not.
 You have no basis for such opinion.

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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2004, 10:38:05 AM »
The commerce department expected 148000 new jobs in December and got 1000 but since 300 000 people stoped even trying to find work the stat improved.

Where do such wildly wrong numbers come from Rip?

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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2004, 10:39:45 AM »
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