RICO Act filed against Bush

[Munkii]

Originally posted by Kieran
You can still get AIDS through oral sex. This comment and the one above were made in jest, but the fact is oral sex is on the rise amongst teen girls, and is considered no big deal. I don't agree with that viewpoint.

I'd rather see oral sex on the rise instead of teen pregnancy.  In an ideal world everyone would use condoms and pregnancy would drop.

[Kieran]

There’s something wrong with the John Kerry nomination. I’m a regular reader of Democratic Underground and the consensus over there for months has been a Dean/Clark front runner ship. No one can find anyone who voted for Kerry in the primaries. So my question is A) Is Kerry the candidate the Republicans always wanted to run against Bush? and B) Are we doing a test run on the Diebold voting machines?

Oh. My. Frickin'. Gosh.

And you get to drive and vote. Really, this is just plain scary people buy into this kind of drivel.

Dean was the Republican wet dream. The only problem was he imploded months too soon. Bush would have spanked him. Kerry has a chance if he figures out when to shut up about his military record, and keeps pounding on intelligence. With union backing, and a good selection for VP, he is VERY electable. Dean was a dead-end from the start.

[Kieran]

Originally posted by Munkii
I'd rather see oral sex on the rise instead of teen pregnancy.  In an ideal world everyone would use condoms and pregnancy would drop.

Really? How many daughters do you have? How thrilled are you about them giving good-night hummers to their boyfriends at 16?

An ideal world would have kids abstaining from sex until they were old enough to deal with the consequences as adults. Or is that too obvious?

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Kieran
Really? How many daughters do you have? How thrilled are youAn ideal world would have kids abstaining from sex until they were old enough to deal with the consequences as adults. Or is that too obvious?

OK and for the record, how many of you (voluntarily) waited until you were old enough to deal with the consequences? classic case of "I did it when I was your age, but you can't, because it is wrong," philosophy is exactly why we have so many teen parents. Hell, I'm in my 30's and maybe I'm still not old enough to deal with a family, but I'll be damned if I dont get my freak on every now and then LOL

Gainsie

[10Bears]

Alright last reply here then I got to go.

First of all it’s good to see you back here Kieran, I missed our fights. You missed our knock down drag out fights here on the run up to war.. I was screaming my head off.. Thought everyone here had fallen into some type of mass psychosis.

On the issue of oral sex.. I agree with you and disagree and here’s why. On one level, as a father of a 19 yr old girl, I have a  certain conservative bias concerning all things sexual which is inherent of all fathers of girls. On the other hand you as an educator, (your still teaching I hope) have to consider the lesser of two evils. Is giving the boy a hand job or bj preferable to penetration? I mean, I would think you’d say that’s a no brainer. What’s the cost to society to have all these fatherless children, the spread of STD in the teenage community?  

If what you say is correct, that oral sex is on the rise, but than STD and unwanted pregnancies are on the decline, well, I think we can live with that, the world won’t go the heck in a handbasket. Would you prefer teens waited until marriage? Well of course. Is that a realistic goal?.. Now c’mon Kieran, we got to pick and choose our battles here.. picking a fight with raging teen hormones is a fight your gonna lose my brother

This notion that Bill Clinton popularized oral sex is amusing. I’d say this form of sexual contact has been around alot longer than you or I or Bill Clinton. The real culprit here seems to be Hollywood culture that dictates at least one sexual liaison between unmarried people per film. The apex for me would be Alian3 when Ripley says to the guy “I neeeeed some, I haven’t had any for 75 years”
LOL

BTW you and I are in full agreement that CBS needs to have their license pulled for about 5 weeks. Not so much for the boobs, for lying about it.

[Nakhui]

Originally posted by 10Bears
Nakhui, Kappa has a strong point. I have a slightly different take on it though I am starting to believe a “possibility”  of a passive wheel and spoke conspiracy may have taken place.

You might want to read this from a retired USAF Colonel who was a teacher at the war colege and is an expert in US Psy-Ops.

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/truth.pdf

[mietla]

Originally posted by 10Bears
I’d say this form of sexual contact has been around alot longer than you or I or Bill Clinton.

That's true, but Clinton brought the topic to the kitchen table. I wonder how many parents had to answer their kid's question.

What is oral sex Daddy?

[Nakhui]

Originally posted by mietla
That's true, but Clinton brought the topic to the kitchen table. I wonder how many parents had to answer their kid's question.

What is oral sex Daddy?

Exactly what's wrong with that?

If a child is old enough to formulate the question, then they deserve an answer.

I'd rather parents take responsibility and answer that question than leave to kids in the school yard, hollywood movies, magazines, or school teachers.

It's time that American parents grow up and not be ashamed of talking about sex and start educating their children about it.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Nakhui
...I'd rather parents take responsibility and answer that question than leave to kids in the school yard, hollywood movies, magazines, or school teachers...

you left out Catholic Priests, dangit! if you're gonne lecture, get it right!

[10Bears]

Okay, Okay last post then time for Aces..

Kieran I kind of wanted to dance around with you before we SLAM into each other and rip each other’s throats out.

The theory about the Kerry nomination is mine alone. I did not find this suggestion anywhere on the net. I DO know the allegations of adultery are TRUE, in fact there are more than one. Our political party can ill afford having to support an adultor again, You have no idea how hard it was to defend the policies of one of the smartest men in our lifetime only to have him blow it--
 to throw it all away.

Kieran I would prefer you didn’t make light of my lack of higher education. When you were being packed off to collage, I got to work for $3.00 an hour as a ranch hand. Did that for five years, later, hooked up with plumbers and did that for almost 20 years intermixed with electrician and carpentry gigs. The electrician stuff learned me what I do now which has everything to do with high voltage electricity. If you detect at least a little bit of average intelligence or independent thought, that would be thanks to the Jesuits at Catholic school whom at least taught me how to spell and to think critically.  

If we meet in person you and I would have more in common than you would care to admit.

[Kieran]

A reasonable response, so I tender my apology for the earlier response. It was a knee-jerk response to our prior contacts.

Clinton didn't polarize BJs any more than Bush polarized cocaine abuse. But in both cases, regardless of cause, there are severe consequences. AIDS is on the rise, not the decline, in America, as are most STDs. Teen pregnancy is as well. I have two daughters, and I don't like the idea of them giving goodnight hummers to their boyfriends when they start dating. I can't honestly believe any father would.

Munkii said "In a perfect world"... then said in that world kids would use condoms. Condoms are not 100% foolproof at preventing pregnancy OR STDs. In a perfect world the kids would wait until they are not kids to have sex. May not be totally realistic, but you know what? Sometimes the fight is about where you make your stand. Do you give up and concede you have no control, or do you go down swinging? They're my kids, and I plan on fighting to the bitter end. I might even lose, but it won't be because I gave up before the fight was engaged.

I empathize with your working class background, because I come from similar digs. I've had a job since I was 14-years-old. My mother raised her orphaned siblings (four of them) while raising six of her own. My step-father worked in the factory, but that was one job for 12 people. I wasn't "packed off to college", I worked three jobs at a time to put myself through, the rest I borrowed (student loan, which I paid back in full). I am not rich by any means even now, though I am quite happy.

[Eagler]

amazing ....

[Munkii]

Originally posted by Kieran

Munkii said "In a perfect world"... then said in that world kids would use condoms.  

Okay, I said in an Ideal world, not perfect.  I realize that's pretty similar, but I meant it different.  I meant ideal as in, achievable.  With proper education and more cultural awareness to condoms, they could become more mainstream.  If girls parents took them seriously and actually took them to a gynocologist at an earlier age, or just introducing the concept of visiting one earlier more could be done.  I'm not going to try and trick myself into thinking that abstinance is going to ever been mainstream, or even if it ever was.  Human nature is just like any other animal, to reproduce to keep the species from dying out.  Sex is natural, educating the masses at a younger age could improve awareness, lower STD transmission rates, and lower pregnancy rates.

[Kieran]

At what age are you going to start encouraging them to use condoms, hmm? What have you told YOUR daughters?

You have to understand, I don't say this stuff without a little background. I get to see all those girls walking around pregnant to class, or who can't make class on time because their 3-year-old in daycare is sick. We've been teaching sex ed for years, everything you're discussing, and the problem isn't getting better, it's worse.

[straffo]

It's getting old to see Bush taliban and Clinton Taliban fighting ...

Both having no other ressort than bashing each other eeeekkk it's  boring ...