Why vulching is/isn't bad

[MotorOil]

Has vulching ever been bad?

[FDutchmn]

LOL Palef!  Gotta luv it!

[beet1e]

Hehe, I had another read of this today. I especially liked this part of Palef's post.

Originally posted by palef
5. By now the 6 ex-CAPpers will be back in the following mix of aircraft. 1 P51, 2 Nikis, 2 Spit IXs and 1 La7.

I thought I was the only one to have noticed that. Oh well, Palef. At least you know that whenever you see that mix of planes, I won't be amongst the gaggle. One small point - you've got two point numbers 5 - instead of 5.... 6....

[Load]

Vulching is 1 of the riskiest task in AH:

1. Strong GVs fire.

2. high Killshooter risk

3. Very fast closing speed attacks...it is very easy to ram the enemy

4. You manouver very near to deck  BOOM

5. Your SA is very limited and exposed to higher enemies

6. You are insulted on channel 1

7. It is very boring and it doesnt give personal satisfaction.

Vulchers are the real heroes of each country. They are the hiden reason of resets.

We can be heroes just for one day !!

(S)

KOSK......nearly ZAMO

[jaxxo]

What about the 190 who repeatedly flys 25 miles at 15 k to make straffing runway passes, ignoring the 4 cons at 10k? Or the p51 who dives from 20 k to get your smoking a20 while ignoring all enemies? Getting the easiest possible kill no matter what the circumstances seems to be becoming the norm lately. Are we not training the newbs at all? I think some of us post stats and smugly cruise at 20k to cherrypick dweebs and laugh at the morons who have no clue, while not training enuff newbs to combat these situatuations.

[Adogg]

Originally posted by palef
I have no idea why they don't shoot into the rear of the hangar.

 

He he. Basically I'm a sucky pilot, still learning the ropes but on a vulching I happened across that approach seemed like a no-brainer. No one was doing it though!!! So i fixed it. Lined up the P38 with the hanger that kept poppin hurri-birds (maybe it was palef trying out his tactic).  

Regardless I really just wanted to add this to the long agonizing vulching on the subject of vulchers:

Vulching - is it irritating? God Yes!
Do you have to pop at the same field? Good god no!

However, I think this final point should stitch it up for those who moan about the reality or accuracy of it:

Exactly what about the MA is historically accurate in the first place? I'd love to read the history book that has Yaks NiKs and Spits and 109s flying on the same side!  

Besides without vulchers how can relative noobs like myself ever get to become grouchy, crotchety old forum moaners

[GODO]

Originally posted by Blammo
Anyone else have any reasons for or against it?

It depends on the nature of the vulch. There are mainly two kinds of vulchers:

Those that aproach a field, help to kill VH/ack/town and start vulching to prevent any defence against the capture while keeping an eye on the map to swtich to medium/hi cap if enemy reinforcements come from a nearby base.

And those that systematically sit there waiting for others to do the hard work supressing the ack and then keep "flying" the runaway over n over without any interest at all about the possesion of the field, just looking for cheap kills.  

If you have lots of the first type, you will take bases one after another.

If you have too many of the second type, you will lose bases one after another. That ends in the usual lemming procession that after an hour have been unable to take the field while having lost half of the country in the process.

[NoBaddy]

Vulching is not good or bad...it just is. Often, vulching is just plain boring. Personally, I prefer the counter-vulch. Lot more fun vulching the vulchers .

[Black Sheep]

I believe we are making 2 distinctions here.

AH has vulching. It doesnt have an airfield filled with lines of bombers, fighters, etc. with no personnel in them. Hardly anyone will run to a plane across a field and start, taxi and take off amidst a swarm of enemy fighters. Thus; strafing.

Although they did it in Pearl Harbor and mb a few other places.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by jaxxo
What about the 190 who repeatedly flys 25 miles at 15 k to make straffing runway passes, ignoring the 4 cons at 10k? Or the p51 who dives from 20 k to get your smoking a20 while ignoring all enemies? Getting the easiest possible kill no matter what the circumstances seems to be becoming the norm lately. Are we not training the newbs at all? I think some of us post stats and smugly cruise at 20k to cherrypick dweebs and laugh at the morons who have no clue, while not training enuff newbs to combat these situatuations.

I don't recall anyone training me. I learned my lessons from hot lead re-planing my arse over and over and over. Vulching, and killing people in general is a very powerfull educational  tool for the victim. I always used to say in AW, when I roped someone, that he probably wasn't going to fall for that maneuver again in the same situation, it's usually true. Someone who honestly wants to learn, will learn most from his mistakes, if you are dead, you made a mistake. It's really simple.

Zazen

[kj714]

Ahhh, crud, I still get roped every now and then. Nothing makes me feel dumber in AH.

[hyena426]

What about the 190 who repeatedly flys 25 miles at 15 k to make straffing runway passes, ignoring the 4 cons at 10k? Or the p51 who dives from 20 k to get your smoking a20 while ignoring all enemies?

if i was 190 or p51 i would go after the fattest targets in the sky,,bomber,,c47 or whatever,,the 190 was made for interception and speed,,it wasnt made to dog fight with every plane in the air,,it needs it speed,, diving on a fat bomber and slowing down the attacks on bases,,is just what them planes are ment to do,,thats why they got big ammo loads

alot of people complain about head ons and vulches,,i dout that will ever change,,but thats war,,heck the germans in ww2 said the americans were inhumane for using shotguns in trench warfare they said it was unfair!! and a crime against all humanity!! now aint that funny? coming from people who used gas on people in trench warfare,,wooden mines so they wouldnt be detected,,plus murdering most of the prisoners and the jews

i got a interesting book called viii fighter comand at war,,official training document compiled from the fighter escorts of the mighty eighth<~~most of there tactics include head ons ,,saying there 50cals out distanced the germans canons,,and most german planes would break before they got in range,,and it would give them a slight upper hand in the dogfight,,i know aces high is not real,,but!! its war just the same and people are going to do nasty things to win,,including head ons and vulching