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Offline Furious

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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2004, 05:41:33 PM »
Zazen,

To make even more realistic, when you get killed, log-off, cancel your account and never comeback.

Being able to "die" 100 times is no less gamey than being able to "die" 10 times.  It just happens to be something you like to pat yourself on the back about.

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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2004, 06:02:54 PM »
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Zazen,

To make even more realistic, when you get killed, log-off, cancel your account and never comeback.

Being able to "die" 100 times is no less gamey than being able to "die" 10 times.  It just happens to be something you like to pat yourself on the back about.


Lol, I've only heard this argument 80 million times. Obviously, you don't actually die. The intention makes all the difference. Flying to live is merely an emulation of tactics that most closely resembles what actually took place during ww2. Flying with no regard for your virtual life creates situations that bear little or no resemblance to the type or character of the fighting that actually took place in ww2.

Naturally, getting to re-plane after a virtual death is unrealistic, but striving to fly as though the life you are on is your only one makes each sortie as realistic as possible and as valid as another from that perspective.

To a survivalist, dying in combat is a critical failure. I often log-off review the film and see where I made the critical error in judgement. For a "fly till you die" pilot, a death is just a quicker trip to the tower to quickly hop into another plane to die again.

Who is learning more from their virtual death? The guy who dies 10 times a night and thinks nothing about it? Knowing he dove headlong into that furball resigned to his fate of eventually getting overwhelmed or cherry picked or the pilot who dies only 10 times an entire camp who reviews the events leading up to each demise with the determination to not repeat the same mistake twice?

The point is, it's not the finality, or lack thereof, of the virtual death that creates the realism, it's the entirely different mindset and approach to the game that creates it.

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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2004, 06:11:33 PM »
Furious is a good La5 pilot. :)
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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2004, 06:15:30 PM »
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Furious is a good La5 pilot. :)


Cool! :cool:

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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2004, 06:42:15 PM »
No such thing as a good la5 pilot.  The plane is super cheeze.

Die once, die a hundred times.  I don't care.  It's 14.95 a month either way.  I just wish you would stop acting like it matters.  It can't.

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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2004, 09:07:15 PM »
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I just wish you would stop acting like it matters. It can't.


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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2004, 09:28:20 PM »
I was speaking to Zazen and I could've chosen to say that it "doesn't" matter.  But saying "doesn't" means that it could, but in this instance does not.  So I chose to say "can't".  

Anything more than 1 death is not realistic.  Trying to not die again cannot be a more realistic approach.

Just say, "This is the way I have chosen to play this game.  I enjoy this method more than the other different and equally valid ways of playing this game.", and I will slap you a hoopty big high five and we can get back to the fun.




...or not.  I already stopped caring.  Have fun.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2004, 09:31:53 PM by Furious »

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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2004, 11:07:47 PM »
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Zazen,

To make even more realistic, when you get killed, log-off, cancel your account and never comeback.

Being able to "die" 100 times is no less gamey than being able to "die" 10 times.  It just happens to be something you like to pat yourself on the back about.


Easier cure would be to have scores reset to zero when you die. Of course, HT would never hear the end of the whines if he did that :D.
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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2004, 12:11:43 AM »
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Easier cure would be to have scores reset to zero when you die. Of course, HT would never hear the end of the whines if he did that :D.


Survivalists don't play for score or rank, we play for the realism. I'd fly the exact same way if there were no scores whatsoever. If it was score or rank I was after I'd just jump into furballs and take 4 or 5 guys to the grave with me, rinse and repeat. Flying to live requires alot more time, patience and discipline, score or rank is nowhere near enough incentive to put in that kind of effort. We do it because cultivating the skills required to be a successful airiel tactician is very realistic and rewarding in and of itself.

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« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2004, 12:20:16 AM »
Good luck with yur goal MC... Just a peice of addvise. A good rank is like the cover of a book. There are many excellent sticks in the game who have 100+ rank as fighter. Then again, what is a good stick? We all have our opinions on that. I wont bother getting into it any further... Learn everything you posibly can about ACM and how to use it. To me, in my opinion its the most important part of the game; for me... If its E fighting, Turn fighting, you will need to use it (ACM). E fighting is alot of fun. Some call it playing alot monkey. But you dont need to be at 20K to E Fight. And a good choice for an E fighter would be the P51. There are tons of good E fighters to chose from, thats my first choice every time. Its very fast, turns great in comparison with other E Fighters, dives like a champ, guns are great once you learn how to shoot them, and it holds E fairly well. Like I said, there are many great E fighters in the game, try them all and one is bound to suit your needs and flying style.

and good luck
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« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2004, 12:33:13 AM »
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I was speaking to Zazen and I could've chosen to say that it "doesn't" matter.  But saying "doesn't" means that it could, but in this instance does not.  So I chose to say "can't".  

Anything more than 1 death is not realistic.  Trying to not die again cannot be a more realistic approach.

Just say, "This is the way I have chosen to play this game.  I enjoy this method more than the other different and equally valid ways of playing this game.", and I will slap you a hoopty big high five and we can get back to the fun.




...or not.  I already stopped caring.  Have fun.


Do whatever keeps you wanting to pay HTC your 15 bucks a month.

Perverting the survivalist's ideals to the hideous extreme to feed your side of the argument is just rediculous. Of course we all realize this is a virtual reality and you do not actually die. The simple fact is, like it or not, some of us prefer to treat it more like a simulation than an arcade game. It's just that simple. Niether approach is somehow superior to the other, it's just a very dichotomous view of the same animal.

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« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2004, 12:37:19 AM »
Is it me or do these threads about rank tend to get way off topic?


Just a simple questioin... As you were:)
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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2004, 01:05:57 AM »
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Is it me or do these threads about rank tend to get way off topic?


Just a simple questioin... As you were:)


Keeps things spicy until AH2 goes live ;)

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« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2004, 09:12:33 AM »
We need a lot of spice- AHII wont go live for 3 more years at this rate.

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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2004, 12:27:04 AM »
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We need a lot of spice- AHII wont go live for 3 more years at this rate.


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