Author Topic: Peer pressure (Read 2196 times)

Kanth · « **Reply #30 on:** February 21, 2004, 10:25:09 PM »

Personally I don't expect people to sacrafice themselves to help me. If I'm totally stuck, I probably screwed up.

No reason to compound the mistake.

I'd rather my teammates get the edge and win the battle and let me replane.

SlapShot · « **Reply #31 on:** February 22, 2004, 10:45:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Kanth
Personally I don't expect people to sacrafice themselves to help me. If I'm totally stuck, I probably screwed up.

No reason to compound the mistake.

I'd rather my teammates get the edge and win the battle and let me replane.

Then again Kanth ... those 2 planes that you drag can also become FOOD !!!

I will always drop in to help a teammate ... squaddies come first tho ...

Many times I have dropped in just for the zoom to cause them to break and have not put myself into a bad position.

Check 6s ... well ... I never expect them, but when you are fighting with multiple (10+) countrymen and there is not one peep on vox from anyone ... I dont understand it.

Doberman · « **Reply #32 on:** February 22, 2004, 05:04:33 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
Then again Kanth ... those 2 planes that you drag can also become FOOD !!!

Ahhh, but who actually drags?

YEARS ago (back in WB days) I wrote up a little essay on how to most effectively drag for your countrymen. I've posted it occasionally since then. Looks like it's time to dig it up and repost it.

So few people know how to help you help them anymore.

FWIW, I fall on the "Your 6 is your own responsibilty" side of the fence. I often give 6 calls (typically over VOX these days. Makes sure the right person is being warned), but I never really expect one. Yeah I get a little upset if the lone bad guy in the entire sector manages to get behind me without any of the dozens of my countrymates giving me a warning, but when it comes down to it, that's MY fault an no one elses.

Who knows what everyone around you is doing. AFK, watching TV while cruising to alt, masturbating, talking on the phone, yakking on the public channel.... It's not anyone elses duty to watch over me and warn me of danger.

If they do so, I'm grateful. But expecting it is foolish.

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Blammo · « **Reply #33 on:** February 23, 2004, 01:57:36 PM »

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Originally posted by RTR
Well, I don't know about you, but I try to teach my squad mates that diving into a horde of red is basically suicide.

Look before you leap. If you go charging into a hopeless situation why would you expect a team mate to come down and die with you?

So, why wouldn't I dive on in to try to help you?

Teamwork.

Someone's gotta be able to carry out the mission.

'Nuff said. I'm out. Enjoy the frenzy.

RTR

With the right teamwork, two can be left to carry out the mission, instead of whoever is left.

As an example, a team mate of mine was in the middle of a mess and being hounded by a Typhie a few nights ago. I had alt so I called the 6 then dived on the bandit. The bandit broke, my team mate escaped and I was able to use the E gained in the dive to get clear as well...see, teamwork. Didn't consider it a sacrifice. I considered it my duty to my team.

But, we are not even talking about charging into a furball or you sacrificing yourself, we are talking about the courtesy of giving a "Check 6" when possible. Every situation is different. The one I described called for action, but most times they don't. You are just helping a guy out.

Teamwork...it's a concept. You should try it sometime.

This PSA brought you by the Nasty Dead Men (NDM). Nasty Dead Men: where we work as a team and complete the mission.

Steve · « **Reply #34 on:** February 23, 2004, 02:06:17 PM »

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So few people know how to help you help them anymore.

I love setting up my teammates

wire · « **Reply #35 on:** February 23, 2004, 02:41:36 PM »

I prefer using range vox to "check 6" because it eliminates the erroneous ck-6, but if your ID has more than one syllable and can’t be deciphered in a half second, you may not get the vox ck-6 from me. By the time I figure out the name, it’s too late.

sonofagun · « **Reply #36 on:** February 23, 2004, 04:17:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Kanth
When I get a check 6 call I immediately bail out.

I can't tell you how many times my squad mates have saved me that way.

God Bless them, every one.

LOL...yeah

6 call's great to clear a squaddie out of your way so you can get his kill!

Widewing · « **Reply #37 on:** February 23, 2004, 06:17:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Blammo
As an example, a team mate of mine was in the middle of a mess and being hounded by a Typhie a few nights ago. I had alt so I called the 6 then dived on the bandit. The bandit broke, my team mate escaped and I was able to use the E gained in the dive to get clear as well...see, teamwork. Didn't consider it a sacrifice. I considered it my duty to my team.

We're not talking about a teammate being involved with 1 or 2 cons, we're talking about them diving into a horde of red, and then yelling for help.

Geez, half the kills I get involves shooting an enemy off some guys six.

Anyone dumb enough to wade into a horde and then expect everyone to run to their rescue absolutely deserves the butt kicking they're about to get. Eventually, hopefully, they'll get a clue.

Then again, I am always happy to shred the target fixated conga line following him.... LOLOLOL

My regards,

Widewing

Steve · « **Reply #38 on:** February 23, 2004, 06:46:45 PM »

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we're talking about them diving into a horde of red, and then yelling for help.

Voluntary chum planes are valuable indeed. I love helping these guys, assuming there are not other threats in the area that preclude me from jumping in.(what WW is referring to)

I get pavlovian when I happen upon some low rook w/ 5 or 6 guys trying to kill him. Invariably they are all low and slow, turing in nice predictable circles. It almost always ends the same... you can't save him from the horde, but can swat half the goobs on his 6 w/ impunity.

Brings me to another thought. If I'm flying and see 2 or more of my fellow rooks on a guy, I'll find something else to attack, after confirming they are ok.

Why is it a pile of 5 or more guys are happy to chase the same lone target, while many of them disregard their own 6 entirely?

Here's to the chum planes!

palef · « **Reply #39 on:** February 23, 2004, 06:53:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
We're not talking about a teammate being involved with 1 or 2 cons, we're talking about them diving into a horde of red, and then yelling for help.

Geez, half the kills I get involves shooting an enemy off some guys six.

Anyone dumb enough to wade into a horde and then expect everyone to run to their rescue absolutely deserves the butt kicking they're about to get. Eventually, hopefully, they'll get a clue.

Then again, I am always happy to shred the target fixated conga line following him.... LOLOLOL

My regards,

Widewing

I love diving into a horde of red, just so Steve can get some more kills

Steve · « **Reply #40 on:** February 23, 2004, 06:55:09 PM »

God loves you Palef, and so do I.

Shane · « **Reply #41 on:** February 23, 2004, 07:06:21 PM »

i love diving into a horde of rook red so i can scare the crap outta steve when he tries to cherry me.

Steve · « **Reply #42 on:** February 23, 2004, 07:18:32 PM »

Lol, I remember a certain flight just a couple of nights ago... my spitV cherried by a certain guy... SHANE in a 51!!!!

Are you the pot or the kettle?

Shane · « **Reply #43 on:** February 23, 2004, 07:46:51 PM »

i'm the hammer. and i do hurt 'em!!

meddog · « **Reply #44 on:** February 23, 2004, 08:33:23 PM »

I've been reading all of these replies and I have come to only one conclusion. Chk 6 calls are not about self SA. Giving chk 6 calls is about common curtisy and desciency, it's about working together as a country, knowing that if your countryman gets shot down no matter how poor his SA is, it's only going to make your job more difficult. I will also agree that while your zigging here and zagging there in a heavy furball it's very difficult to watch every body and if I miss some one than I appologize. But there are certain times of the day when a certain group of knights do not give out chk 6's and I can't understand why.

Something else that annoyed me today was when I was D150 from an LA7 getting ready to make the money shot and some dweeb comes in from my high 6 in a faster airplane and steals the kill. As soon as the LA7 goes boom, I look behind me to find a Zero d350 off my tail. Why didn't this guy cover my 6 and go after the Zero inteade of stealing my kill? If I see a countryman chasing closely behind con and another con is manuevering behind him, I'll go after the 2nd bogey while giving a chk6.
How I came out of it with only losing a rudder is beyond me. But it kind of goes to the self centeredness and greedyness of this game and the lack of working together as a team that all 3 countries complain about .