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Offline 1K0N

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« on: February 19, 2004, 08:05:00 AM »
I consider Checksix's a Gift not a requirement or right.. I never expect them but am thankful when I get them, and do my best to return the favor when I am able to judge it neccessary. Sometimes I make mistakes and checksix the wrong person, a wrong checksix is better than no checksix at all I figure, which is kind of understood and no one complains.
 Every week I find that one group of furballers with the same people constantly badmouthing other players for their mistakes and not receiving checksix's, at first it kind of irritated me having to listen to the same whine over and over on range.. "Dudes how bought some checksix's" or "How bout some Checksix's you Arsewhles"
But thats not really a bad thing, I learned how to checksix because of the same checksix range whines in the beginning when I started, otherwise I would never have known what was required, its not like the manual clearly states "you must check six your fellow countrymens during battle"
So peer pressure is a good thing, and yelling on range for countrymen to checksix's is the right thing to do, otherwise how will the new players or non checksix players learn?!
 So next time you get blasted by an enemy plane in a Furball without receiving a complimentary checksix, you must yell as angrily as possible, as loud as you can, on range channel, "Check my friggen six you Arsewhles"
You will be doing your country a favor!!

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Offline Morpheus

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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2004, 08:08:03 AM »
A whine about no Check 6 is a lame excuse for Bad SA in my book. I give them when i can, but its hard enough to watch my 6, let alone everyone elses around me
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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2004, 08:27:29 AM »
There are times when you are really tempted to badmouth your fellows, though.

 For instance, our side has enough advantage in numbers. We're starting an attack on an enemy field. You look around to see if someone else also gets a scope of the situation, and then, you are baffled to see not a single friendly plane attempts to knock down the acks.

 No high enemy planes nearby, only a couple trying to get up in a small field with what, only 4~5 acks? .. and still nothing. Zilch. Nada. No response. All of them staying high and timid, just waiting for someone to do the job for them. Only time you see them coming down, is when you have risked so much to get behind a bogey - and then they swoop down, and steal the kill right in front of your nose.

 So, you get pretty frustrated. You start to urge your fellows to join you in deacking the field. It's a ripe vulch chance. Nope - still nothing. They're all circling the field above. And, while all the time is wasted in timid merry-go-rounding at 15k, the enemys start to really up from the field. Soon, the whole area is swarming with bad guys.

 You try to contain the situation, start aggressive passes to keep the enemies low..and then you look around. Where did your friends all go? They went home, thinking that the odds are starting to look bad.

 Ouch, boy is one tempted to cuss.

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 Or, a simular situation. Two forces with about equal numbers meeting in the zone between the two hostile fields. Your side has the alt advantage. The fights become aggressive, and at low altitudes, a really hard furball is brewing.

 There are a lot of enemies - but you also have a lot of friends. You think yourself "alright, let's get it on!" and confidently jump into the fight. Oops, somehow, the red dots near you are swarming by. Where are all your friends? They're all up high. Nobody committing himself to this fight. Wow guys, what are you doing up there? How we gonna get local air superiority by not engaging any of these low enemy planes?

 Both sides have lesser skilled pilots. They are slow to understand the dangers, so naturally, they are the first to get shot down. You see those lesser skilled guys jumping into the fight. They may be average, but with a little help, they can do many things.

 As you fly around at mid-alt, you see those newbie guys going in low into a dangerous fight. Since we have the alt advantage, we can cover our newbies so they don't die out in 10 seconds. Do it right, and we can push the battle lines nearer to the enemy field.

 By golly, nobody's coming down to join the fight. Only time they come down, is when they see a single, low enemy on deck. And then, all of the guys come down and start a tussle for that one bogey - nearby at 10 miles distance, there are lots of targets to fight for.

 So you're torn. You see those newbie guys getting shotdown like flies, while their plea for help falls deaf ears. You feel like going into save them - you know you can save them, and push back all the bad guys, if, only if all those friendlies weren't playing around at something like 20k.

 But of course, no response. They won't come down until everything is totally safe. You go in alone to save your buddies - start a really hectic fight with zillion enemy planes buzzing by. The fight gets really dirty, and the nearby airspace is full of planes low and slow with almost no energy.

 .. and then, as you save a couple of newbies, and get valiantly shot down in the process, you see the cavalry coming in after when all's already over. They start picking the low and slow enemy planes you've worked your prettythang off to push them into that state and rack up kills - and the triumphant roar of the friendlies ring your eardrums - as they fly by your chute. Geez, thanks a lot guys.

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 The altmonkeying and vulching, gangbanging mentality is sometimes just as harsh to the attackers!

Offline dedalos

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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2004, 09:08:46 AM »
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I have never seen anything like that.  Sure some guys will stay high and some will not help deack.  But I have never been in a situation where I was the only one fighting.  Someone always tried to help.  If nothing else, its an easy kill for them when a plane on my six is busy with me.  Anyway, thats just me.  I am not saing that it did not happent to you

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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2004, 09:32:22 AM »
95% of all badmouthing fellow countrymen has something to do with being used as bait or clearing someones six only to have them fly off and leave you to the wolves.
The first one can be summed up to bad SA, but it still stinks. The second should be a punishable offense.
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2004, 09:48:10 AM »
>>you see the cavalry coming in after when all's already over. They start picking the low and slow enemy planes you've worked your prettythang off to push them into that state and rack up kills - and the triumphant roar of the friendlies ring your eardrums - as they fly by your chute. Geez, thanks a lot guys. <<

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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2004, 10:22:31 AM »
I have to admit i get frustrated when i don't recieve a 6 call sometimes.  Couple of weeks ago i spotted a con closing on me with 3 friendles chasing him.  Ok i spotted the con, but i was still a tad angry that not one of them gave me a check 6.  When he was eventually shotdown by one of them i made sure i got the kill by unloading my 20mm into his wingless corpse......It made me feel better.:D
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Offline T1loady

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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2004, 12:26:28 PM »
OK I really would like to make a comment on this, Pulling up my soap box…   Ok here I go.

The check six call is an option. You don’t have to do it and in the game there is guys out there who do this all the time and guys who don’t.  Anyone who is a rook knows that I am always giving “six” calls. I just hate it when I turn around a go defensive with an aircraft behind me, only to see 5 guys trying to gangbang the con behind me, and not a single one of these guys say, “Hey Skip, spit at your 6, working it”  Instead they are to busy trying to get the kill and not letting me know I am about to get sent back to the tower. In fact I am usually in that situation because I turned in on a con to clear a fellow countryman. I am a B&Z pilot and I hate to turn. So when I let myself kill all of my E to clear someone, then only to get pounced by a single con, (with 6 friendly following) it just pisses me off. It only takes 2 seconds to help a brother out.  i.e.  Last night I was flying an A-20 defending a base from GV’s to the south.  I was doing very well, 5 kills this sortie.  There were at least 8 friendly aircraft between me and a single spit.  I turned back to killing tank knowing that my fellow country men would protect me (stupid on my part) by taking this 5.9 not closing spit, or let me know if he came my direction.  But about 2 guns passes later, and killing another resupply/troop M-3 bam. Back to the tower for me.  I jumped into another A-20 and back to the GV killing.  Not 5 minutes later almost the same thing happened.  By the way, while plinking tanks, I gave 9 “check six” calls. I just don’t understand why it is so much more important in getting a kill than protecting your buddies and still getting that kill.  I just wish I could fly with confidence knowing that I can defend my base knowing that my “countrymen” will be there for me.  So I left and went to another base(really tired of getting killed busting GV’s, which were the only real threat to base capture. The enemy planes were coming in 1 at a time.) , and not 10 minutes later the base was taken with the M-3 that I had been killing. This is just sad.  I will continue to give six calls and warnings to my fellow rooks, only hoping that it will inspire others to do so. If you didn’t know how to give a “check Six” ask someone… Ill show you.  I am online every  night when the wife and baby go to sleep.

Stepping off the soap box.  Sorry to go on and about this,  I guess it is a sore subject that I had to speak my piece on.  Thanks for your support.  

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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2004, 12:37:47 PM »
My personal favorite Situation:
You've worked long and hard to get that bandit in your lights for the premium kill shot NOT wasting your ammo by spraying and praying your zoomed in almost there and BAM BAM BAM u chk 6 to see a baddy on your 6 with 3 or 4 friendlys behind him using u as bait! they didnt wanna chk6 u so they could get the baddy! after a few of these I made myself learn GOOD SA ! and NOT get target fixation sometimes i wish though that killshooter was off and i could nail my own countrymen! still see it being done to newbies so i try and give said newbei a chk6 to not only save him but to skewer the dweebs following his baddy and watching them get nailed cause they couldnt fight their way outta a wet paper bag to begin with :rofl
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Offline 1K0N

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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2004, 12:54:05 PM »
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You've worked long and hard to get that bandit in your lights for the premium kill shot NOT wasting your ammo by spraying and praying your zoomed in almost there and BAM BAM BAM u chk 6 to see a baddy on your 6 with 3 or 4 friendlys behind him using u as bait! they didnt wanna chk6 u so they could get the baddy!


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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2004, 02:25:00 PM »
I got enough to do in a dogfight without hunting around my keyboard for the ' key just so some unaware, low and slow target can turn just before he gets whacked.

Watching for enemy, judging energy, working my own calculations for flying and firing all the while looking over my shoulder once in awhile. Try it sometime. It works.

Any "Check 6" calls you get are just reminders that you aren't looking back enough.

Country channel, squad channel, range channel, radar map, VOX and the ability to look behind you should be enough to give you a decent picture of your situation.

You are ultimately responsible for your own six.
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2004, 02:55:22 PM »
1/2 times I die it's because I get blasted by a guy that was in my blindspot while attacking another.  Yet most of the time, there are people floating around doing nothing, not helping at all.  And this is what pisses me off.




Like this one time I was chasing a spit down in my seafire.  We were in a heavy dogfight.  I finally got him down but quickly noticed that There were 2 other engine noises in my area.  I look back and could easily see the enemy p51 pilot's eyes.  Without zoom.  He was roughly 100 off my six and sticking there.  Back behind him was someone chasing him down.  The guy never even bothered to tell me that I had an enemy 6 feet behind me.  I didn't see his name, but I sure did get pissed.
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2004, 03:48:58 PM »
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Like this one time I was chasing a spit . ..........[/B]


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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2004, 04:01:23 PM »
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I got enough to do in a dogfight without hunting around my keyboard for the ' key just so some unaware, low and slow target can turn just before he gets whacked.

Watching for enemy, judging energy, working my own calculations for flying and firing all the while looking over my shoulder once in awhile. Try it sometime. It works.

Any "Check 6" calls you get are just reminders that you aren't looking back enough.

Country channel, squad channel, range channel, radar map, VOX and the ability to look behind you should be enough to give you a decent picture of your situation.

You are ultimately responsible for your own six.


Geez...nice attitude.  Remind me not to wing with you.

Seriously...have you ever benefitted from a check six call?  If you say you haven't, I am not sure I would believe you.

You are right, it is busy work flying in combat.  You are also correct that ultimately SA is my responsibility.  But did it ever occur to you that part of SA was bandit calls from wingman, squaddies, and countrymen?

Do you have briefings on the way to a mission?  Why?  After all, you have map and a set of eyes and a brain.  It shouldn't be up to anyone else to tell you what's going on, you should be able to figure it out yourself, right?

Like I said, and not to be mean, but I will remember to avoid winging with you are anyone that has the same attitude.  And why should I need to anyway...after all, you don't need my extra set of eyes....or my six calls.


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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2004, 04:02:11 PM »
Check 6's are nice.  I wish my teammates had a button that said,"Hey, Steve.  You are about to collide with that guy, dummy!"

I run into as many planes, with it being no-one's fault but my own, as I get shot down it seems.

That said, I whined about not getting a check 6 last night.  
Morph is right, everyone is responsible for their own 6.

I should have kept my mouth shut and moved on. If I could learn to do that, and to quit ramming guys, I'd be a much better player.

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